Joe Biden — Keeping It Classy.
Vice President Joe Biden drops the f-bomb at today’s signing ceremony for Obamacare saying “This is a big f—ing deal!”
You will find out just how big a deal this was in November Joe!
Joe Biden — Keeping It Classy.
Vice President Joe Biden drops the f-bomb at today’s signing ceremony for Obamacare saying “This is a big f—ing deal!”
You will find out just how big a deal this was in November Joe!
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March 23, 2010 at 10:34 pm
He should have said this is social F*ing justice. Not that's a real Catholic Democrat.
March 23, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Has anyone else pondered whether this latest claptrap of Biden's indicates his condescension as a Beltway "veteran" towards his upstart superior? Like Obama needs reminding that he's really really really playing with the big boys?
The only thing that I imagine (please underscore "I imagine") with which Biden's ego will never reconcile, is that he wasn't born a "Kennedy."
March 24, 2010 at 1:54 am
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March 24, 2010 at 1:56 am
As a retired enlisted man of 22 years experience, I'm familiar with foul language and when it's appropriate.
IMO Biden needs his mouth washed out with soap.
I volunteer for the job.
March 24, 2010 at 5:17 am
Yep, that Joe Biden shows a lot of class — all low! And to Ms. Luisi: how fortunate you are to know "PLENTY of truly wonderful human beings that (sic) use that sort of profanity." You, too, must enjoy those of low class. "Sometimes it's just the right word" — how absurd, how nauseating.
March 24, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Trad Tom:
I'm not so concerned about class. I'm more concerned about encountering Christ and the sacredness of the individual before me. "High class" and "low class" are irrelevant for me at that point.
But now that you say it, YES, I do enjoy those of low class, as well as "high class" because they are a sign of Christ for me.
March 24, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Subvet
*in my best Scottish accent* "Here, you do it, I'll hold him down."
If your writing begs the need for profanity, Kim, you might want to find a new profession (anything but nursing!!! You won't make a dime now that Obama has his way, promise!)
March 24, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Mike:
No my writing does not "beg" for the need for profanity. However, there are occasions where it would only be true to a character if the profanity was said.
I mean, honestly, having a prissy-fit over a small word is NOT what Catholicism is about. This type of piety is nothing more than Pharisaical.
March 24, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Reminds me of what Tallulah Bankhead once said about Norman Mailer after reading his first novel. Wish I could repeat it here.
March 24, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Greg Mitchell said it best:
So we had FDR's New Deal and Truman's Fair Deal–now Obama's BF Deal.
March 24, 2010 at 5:19 pm
@Robert:
It's great! When Mailer wrote "Fug" instead of the f-bomb in The Naked and The Dead, Bankhead allegedly said "So you're the young man who doesn't know how to spell."
March 24, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Hey Mike, er, Patty in CT, re-log in with your own screenname!
March 24, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Kim,
Sorry, that was me, not my husband up above. And please point out in your Scriptures where the Lord condones the profane, and I'll back you 100%. Thanks!
And God Bless You:)
March 24, 2010 at 10:38 pm
@patty:
It's not that simple. What's worse, to say "This is some f'in big deal" or "Go F yourself?"
If you said the latter, then you are correct. Why? Because the intent is to disrespect the person. We are then cursing the human being. And at that point, you can substitute the "f" word with the word "off" or something even more seemingly benign and you are STILL disrespecting the person. You are STILL not recognizing that the person is a sign of Christ.
March 25, 2010 at 12:22 am
You bring it full circle back to my original point then Kim. There's no need for such "descriptive" language as you are arguing here, if one has a post-adolescent vocabulary. Thanks for those clarifications, I couldn't (and won't need to now) say them better myself.
And I hope the Lord is that discerning in our delivery of profanity (syntax v context) as I'm sure that there are many out there who will need to be "let off the hook" (Yes, Subvet, my Dad was a sailor too, could weave a linen with his amazing "articulations"). As Anne of Green Gables would say [and of course, I paraphrase liberally here] "Profanity leaves so little scope for the imagination."
Bottom line: swearing is not needed, and the press room of our Nation's Capital is surely not the time nor the place for it, even if you are our "exceptional" Vice President.
March 25, 2010 at 12:48 am
Swearing may not ever be "needed" in an absolute way, but it's not offensive to the Lord like you believe it is.
And if you can reduce my argument to nothing more than "context v. syntax" then you didn't understand my argument at all.
In the first instance, it's a mere banality. In the other it is desecrating a creation of the Lord. MUCH more than syntax v. context.
March 25, 2010 at 12:48 pm
"Swearing may not ever be "needed" in an absolute way, but it's not offensive to the Lord like you believe it is."
Really? On what do you base that assumption?
I'm not being judgmental, as we've all sinned and fallen short, but I beg to differ, Kim. Profanity is always offensive to the Lord and is not ever needed.
One of the more poignant prayers our priest says during Benediction, just before reciting The Divine Praises, implores the Lord to forgive all uses of the Lord's name in vain, cursing, and profanity.
It was an absolute shame Biden choose to use that particular adjective, unless his real intention was to say that word is what this bill will do to the American people. Then possibly it would have been appropriate.
March 25, 2010 at 1:12 pm
@Kim,
You didn't finish the Bankhead quote…..which is why I wouldn't repeat it.
While some may argue whether or not using profanity is sinful, we can agree than many find certain words offensive and therefore best not said.
March 25, 2010 at 2:33 pm
@Maurisa:
I base it on reason. "Bad" words are only bad because of a given time and attitude. They are based on language and not morality. In fact, I would even say that to say a "bad" word is a sin is nothing but moralism.
I wouldn't even call what Biden said a shame. He probably could have used better judgement, but given the emotionalism of the moment, I would cut him some slack even in that area. Keep in mind too, he thought he was saying it privately.
@Robert:
yes, I didn't have the rest of the quote. I agree with you that at times there is language, as with anything else, that is not appropriate. And we shouldn't give offense where we can help it. But by the same token, we can also not be afraid of the culture. So, the idea that foul language is never appropriate in a piece of fiction (which was said earlier) is wrong. The use of the language must be true to the character and can be used as a vehicle for grace.
March 25, 2010 at 3:35 pm
So you think that grace can be found in the profane Kim?
I'm not trying to pick on you, but I am interested in your take on this, as you've said you are an author. I take this profession seriously, and no, I am not one at all:) But you are the "scribe of our times" right? You're more than that, I'm sure. I would consider you an artist, using words as your medium.
So if profanity as a mode of communication is not bad, empirically speaking, then are artists given this leeway? For instance, a portrait of the Madonna is seen as empirically good, and yet, so is urine. So when one is left to soak in the other, as a "piece of art", is this not profane? But neither the picture nor the urine are bad in themselves. The same is true for language. And if the artists insists that they were not intending to offend, but merely to express, are we to take him at his word?
Leave it as a matter of personal taste whether or not foul language should be condoned. But it should not be used by a Catholic, as it is still profane, and can give scandal. Especially when our Catholic Vice President of the United States uses it in the midst of a press conference. Do you know of any Saints who swore Kim? I'd be interested to know these individuals too? You must not be alone if you have no problem with this language that disgusts me. I just wonder if there are Holy men or women to support your point of view? The only references to Saints using foul language that I know of, are those who are using it to describe Satan and his legions. Just wondered if they could apply it in a Holy situation and get it "passed through". Let me know your thoughts? But if the Saints were not prone to using this language, even "off-hand", then might I suggest we'd be wise to imitate their example?
And for the record, Joe's outburst could not possibly lower my opinion of him – just in case it needed to be noted:)