Presidential hopeful Rick Santorum highlights how wrongheaded our culture is pretty darn effectively.
Presidential hopeful Rick Santorum highlights how wrongheaded our culture is pretty darn effectively.
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August 18, 2011 at 1:18 am
Hey, brother, you are not paying attention. Paul mentioned legalizing heroin in one of the debates and it was as idiotic and ignorant as your comments – particularly the one about me wanting to "bomb". I've been there and done that, I have no desire to hurt anyone. However I AM willing to protect my country and the values that it at least once stood for and to try to fight to win those values back.
Suffice to say that you and Paul are wrong about a lot of things. Mostly about the way the world works and doesn't work, wrong about Saddam, wrong about why "they hate me" and so on. ("They" hate for all kinds of reasons, and you have to be either ignorant of the facts, or choose to ignore them in order to believe that our troops being somewhere is what creates all anti-American and anti-western thought? Come on – you get real. Next you will be saying that 9/11 was an inside job, or because our troops were in Saudi….
Anti-Americanism has always been there and always will be. Islamists have always wanted to destroy the unbelievers and, when they have the ability to do so, have always tried and always will.
It is ignorance to pretend that The United States defending itself (whether you want to argue that or not) is the sole catalyst for world discontent. A strong US has done a lot for peace in the world. The fact that we have to defend ourselves and our interests is just a by-product of a fallen world.
Too bad I couldn't re-post that other thing. The war on drugs argument is another lame one. Morally bankrupt too. Prostitution the same. You say you are a Catholic – great – but you actually want to vote for a guy who would like to legalize both prostitution and hard drugs? Really that is just sad.
And yes, all caterwauling to the contrary, Ron Paul is an isolationist. (The distinction between non-interventionist and isolationist is one with a difference)
Thing is: regular people know this instinctively when they listen to him. An otherwise smart guy, who clearly cares, but just doesn't get it. He'd bring larger wars, more pain, addictions and allow a lot of new and even worse evils ("errors") to the United States. All under the guise of actually being more peaceful, etc.
Baloney. There is much more to argue but no more time for it. People do get him. But most have to suspend common sense and become conspiracists to like him. This is why he has no shot.
August 18, 2011 at 2:13 am
Go ahead and kill Muslims in the name of your baby-killing, homosexual, pagan culture – I'll sit back and watch since I don't have a horse in this race.
August 18, 2011 at 4:41 am
[Typo above – meant to say – distinction "without" a difference]
MY culture is none of those things.
And, yes, of course, I would, sadly, kill again in a just war, or if someone threatened myself or family, etc. But I suppose if someone stood on my front lawn with a loaded gun pointed at my house I should say, "Well there is no absolute proof it's loaded. Do you mind if I get an inspector over there to look at your gun? No? Oh, well…okay I guess I will just go back to bed." Then when he shoots my kid through the wall I should tell myself that it served me right. He hated me because I was strong and because I told him he was a bully.
On the other hand. True conservative policies that include a strong defense REDUCE the likelihood of wars and bring both prosperity and peace. That is what I support.
Sane fiscal policies and foreign policies both. Not rocket science. Been done before.
August 18, 2011 at 4:42 am
Whoops. Sorry. I DO support Rocket Science!
August 18, 2011 at 4:55 am
You make no sense. No one was in your front yard. You were in THEIR front yard and you still are in THEIR front yard. And it's not your kid who got shot, it's THEIR kids who got shot through the wall. And they hate you because you are in THEIR front yard killing THEIR kids. What is so hard to understand about that?
And yes, the baby-killing, homosexual, pagan culture is YOURS. That is what the U.S. has become and that is what you are fighting to preserve. Wake up and face reality.
August 18, 2011 at 3:08 pm
What? Where's my front yard? Are you joking? How far can an airplane travel? From how far away can I be threatened? You missed the analogy. This is exactly what I mean by short-brained. Not caring enough to bother to understand what the other person is saying, when most other people would understand it just fine. That's okay, and not at all surprising. But it is too bad.
I have a right to self defense, and so does my country. Period. Hopefully that is more clear. And I obviously do believe that these are defensive wars. You don't. Fine. I think you are wrong, you think I am. Oh well.
R Paulists and other isolationist/head buriers seem to believe that it is still 1789 and we have two huge oceans that will protect us from harm. It wasn't even true then, it certainly isn't true now. And we have a right to defend ourselves even if that means it is not on our own shores. When enemy forces are loading up with ammo in their AA and studying their maps, that's when I am going to show up in the middle of the night and wipe them out, so one of my guys doesn't get killed in the morning.
(So: the guy is across the street in HIS yard threatening me with his UN-loaded gun. So what? Am I still going to shoot him first, if need be? Yes – from ALL the way over here. And if I need to do it in HIS yard, or from right up in his face, I will. If he is bluffing and dies, or his kids get shot through his wall that is not my fault. It is a horrible evil tragedy, but it brought about by his actions. The question is not who dies in the gun fight, the question is, did I have a right to shoot? Not only did I have a right, but I have a moral obligation to shoot if need be to protect myself and the innocent lives of my kids.)
Again – you don't like/don't want to get my analogy, I really don't care. The point is still that I have a right to self defense and, whether you believe so or not, Iraq and Afghanistan were and are defensive wars.
And, again, and for the last time. While, yes, I agree that the many in the United States are on the wrong path in many ways and in many areas, NO, that is NOT MY culture. The "baby-killing, homosexual, pagan culture" is alive all over the world. There is evil everywhere.
But America is a fairly large place, with MILLIONS and millions of very good people who utterly reject that. There are more Americans who reject that "popular" culture than there are PEOPLE in many other countries. So be careful how you impugn an entire nation. You otherwise run the risk of bearing false witness.
What I fight to preserve is MY American culture, not THAT culture. What I have fought to preserve are American LIVES. All of them.
And…you know what? I've fought to preserve the lives of lots of other people too, in other countries. Good people and some not so good people. Totally innocent kids, and some people who where probably downright nasty. People I didn't know, or with whom I may not have agreed, but who where being threatened. People who had a right to life – just as much as any unborn child does. And I have put my life, willingly, on the line to do so. I have lost and suffered. A lot. and still do… And that is just fine with me, and I would do it again, because it was right to do.
Heck – I'd even fight to save YOUR life, brother. But, if you would blame me for starting the trouble in the first place, that's okay with me. I don't need anyone's gratitude, or understanding to still do the right thing. And – it IS doing the right thing to defend the country, or to defend somebody else.
We are not going to agree. That's fine. But I am off this thread now. It was supposed to be about Rick Santorum, and I've high-jacked this enough.
August 18, 2011 at 5:24 pm
And every Iraqi has the right to defend his own country from the baby-killing, homosexual, pagan Empire that has attacked his sovereign nation. And furthermore, the Iraqi would actually be fighting a real defensive war in this case, unlike your pagan Empire spreading its evil throughout the world.
Are you are so naive if you think that you are fighting for some utopian "American" culture that does not exist. The official "American" culture is pagan. Of course there are good people everywhere, even in the midst of a pagan, baby-killing culture. But the fact is that the American culture is pagan and kills over a million babies a year. Spin it any way you want, those are the facts.
By the way, are you aware that there are good people in every nation of the world? But I guess they don't matter to you because they are not "American".
So keep killing them furners.
August 19, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Santorum is just another big government conservative – just like the rest of the Republicans (save Dr Paul). The problem is if you define marriage at a federal level, then when the other party comes into power, they just reverse course. Meanwhile both sides are using the constitution as TP – the constitution becomes weaker and the massive federal government becomes stronger. The answer to an oppressive federal government is not more laws, it is less power.