Congrats to the big brain pro-lifers. You did it. You helped to kill the Personhood amendment in Mississippi. According to the AP, at about 10:15 the referendum was being voted down 58% -42%.
Congrats to all the big brain pro-lifers out there who wouldn’t endorse this or support it publicly in any way. You see, all those little brain pro-lifers thought that you just say what you think is true and you advocate for truth loudly and often and with everything you have. But no. You see, the big brain pro-lifers are geniuses and they know better that it’s not the right time for this. They want to wait until the Supreme Court is stuffed with constructionist judges before they go ahead and attempt to protect life from the moment of conception.
You see, they’re seeing the whole chessboard. And little brain pro-lifers are still playing checkers.
Congratulations to the big brainers for denying personhood to the unborn. Congratulations for being so smart that you don’t advocate for truth but instead strategize. Congrats to handing over another victory to the pro-aborts.
Continue strategizing please. Please. Let’s not just say the truth and get behind it and push people to vote on it. And you just keep on waiting until the exact right moment. Just keep waiting…and waiting…and waiting…
November 9, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Anonymous at 11::45
The state has already declared that the human person comes into existence when he is born into the state. This is the whole premise of Roe v. Wade. The state endows life and personhood and citizenship. Matt is right.
November 9, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Roe v. Wade, Blackmun and Brennen said they did not know when the child became a person. They ought to have given the child the benefit of a doubt 2) asked for discovery and 3) recused themslves. Roe v. Wade is a miscarriage of Justice on technicalities alone.
November 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm
@Paul, before Roe v. Wade, all 50 States had laws banning abortion to various degrees. The Supreme Court, in violation of the 14th (right to life, liberty, property…) and other Amendments, ruled all such laws unconstitutional. Such a ruling is both unconstitutional and unjust, and the states have a right and responsibility to resist such judicial tyranny.
In the case of Mississippi, the Personhood amendment sought to play within the bounds of Roe v. Wade's provision that should personhood be defined, the ruling would essentially collapse.
It is sheer lunacy to think the only political and legal means for abolishing abortion is by getting a pro-life majority of the members of the court AND having a challenge of Roe v. Wade be heard. It hasn't happened in the 40 years since the case, and has very little or or no chance of happening in the next.
November 9, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Most people don't know, but the clause in the 14th Amendment "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws," stemmed from a pro-life movement which outlawed abortion to one degree or another in all 50 states.
Those who call for a pro-life amendment should recognize that there already is one, and that it was ratified and added to the Constitution in 1868. The work has already been done, we just have a judiciary which refuses to recognize it and other governing bodies who fail to enforce it.
November 9, 2011 at 7:37 pm
If Mississippi had the guts to stand for the TRUTH, other states might follow. Even during the Rein of Terror those persons going to the guillotine encouraged each other. Persons are being dismembered every day and the big pro-lifers are worried about strategy.
November 9, 2011 at 7:40 pm
I have heard it said that the colonies were not supposed to win the Revolutionary War. God had other plans. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
November 9, 2011 at 8:50 pm
@Matt Sciba: "In the case of Mississippi, the Personhood amendment sought to play within the bounds of Roe v. Wade's provision that should personhood be defined, the ruling would essentially collapse.
Personhood defined, as well as marriage defined is: "WHEN TWO BECOME ONE" "an individual substance of a rational nature"(Thomas Aquinas' definition of the human being)comes into being with its own DNA. Scientific proof of its individual status. Our Declaration of Independence must be read and taught in public schools for it clearly states "We hold these truth to be self-evident, that all men are created equal (not born equal) and endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. If the tyrants cannot read, send them to public school.
This principle of the Declaration of Independence is the principle upon which the 14th Amendment to our Constitution is based. To try to legislate according to the miscarriage of Justice called Roe v. Wade is to incur insanity. It is to submit to their foundationless concept that the earth is flat and the king's laws will make it round for them alone, but not for all men, but for them alone, and they have struggled for that. The idea that the state endows unalienable rights and creates men equal as persons may have come from the states' duty to protect and preserve the human person and his unalienable rights. Protection, we get from the state. Unalienable rights we get from our Creator.
rosaryvictory
November 9, 2011 at 9:13 pm
@Matt Sciba: "The States have prostituted their sovereignty for medicare funding, highway funding, education funding, all imposed as unfunded mandates by the Federal Government. The States need to get off the teat and reclaim their Constitutional sovereignty."
Federal funding all comes from the states. Does the Federal Government produce any money. NO. The Federal money all comes the states, from the states' taxpayers. rosaryvictory
November 9, 2011 at 9:59 pm
And from what I understand, the bishops wouldn't take a stand on the issue. Are they big brains, too, or just wimps? Or both?
November 10, 2011 at 12:00 am
As Fr. John Hardon wrote: "Our Gravest Moral Responsibility is to Convert the Contraceptive Mentality." We will not eliminate abortion until we eliminate the contraceptive mentality. If you read some of the comments by those who voted No, it was about their fear of "losing" contraception, in-vitro fertilization and a whole host of family-killing, anti-God "rights." Msgr. Vincent Foy stated: "…The primary evil of Contraception is that it puts up a barrier against God's creative will, a horrendous crime when seen in all its implications in time and eternity. It is, therefore, what is called a "mortal" sin; through denying a possible life to another the perpetrator kills his or her own soul. The contracepting person gravely violates the commandment of God "Thou shalt not kill." In one sense Contraception is worse than abortion. The aborted child will live forever in that degree of happiness which God's mercy lovingly bestows. The contracepted child, if we can so speak of a child that never will be, but might have been a great saint, is sacrificed to the lust of should-have-been parents…." The root cause of abortion is the contraceptive mentality, and until we convert the contraceptive mentality, abortion will not stop. Deo Gratias!
Father John Hardon articles: http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Abortion_Euthanasia/Abortion_Euthanasia_009.htm
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Chastity/Chastity_004.htm
November 10, 2011 at 3:05 am
@recoveringfeminist — Spot on. Here in the trenches in southern Mississippi the argument every day, every time, and with every person for the months leading up to this vote was NOT about personhood or abortion, generally — but about birth control, specifically. It was rarely about IVF or ectopic pregnancy or going to jail for a miscarriage. It wasn't about funding. It wasn't about better strategy or legal wrangling. It was – as you stated – about the fear of losing access to contraception. Period.
November 10, 2011 at 12:47 pm
I don't know. Here in Vicksburg, MS, there was a outcry in the paper and on FB about *any* chilling effect on IVF. Maybe it's just my demographic (women in 30s). Only after that would they trot out the rest of the fears — ectopic pregnancies, messing with contraception, forced carrying of rapist's babies. (It always began, "I'm pro-life, but . . ." Is that good or bad?) I don't know if scare tactics worked or if, sadly, people just needed a reason to vote against it. None of the Catholic or mainstream Protestant churches supported it — only the evangelical and Baptist ones.
November 10, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Here in MS, Bishop Latino issued a letter TWO DAYS before the election, explaining why the Church was not supporting Personhood. Meanwhile, every column in print that was against MS 26 would mention how not even the Catholic Church supported it, causing HUGE scandal.
But here's the big thing- most people would agree that life begins at conception, but when confronted with the inconvenient truth that birth control pills, IUDs, and IVF doctors kill babies too, they backed out of voting yes (even though the amendment would not have prohibited most of those). Sickening.
If anything, the Catholic Church could have supported the amendment NO MATTER what consequences it would have on birth control, etc.
AT LEAST the Bishops and priests could have used this time to explain what the Church teaches about those things.
November 11, 2011 at 4:28 pm
What do you think of this article on Eugenics in the USA?
http://mycatholicisland.blogspot.com
North Carolina's Eugenics program
Elaine Riddick was 13 years old when she got pregnant after being raped by a neighbor in Winfall, N.C., in 1967. The state ordered that immediately after giving birth, she should be sterilized. Doctors cut and tied off her fallopian tubes.
Riddick was never told what was happening.
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