Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
Defenders of traditional Catholicism want no part in this craziness.
A group of SSPX followers in Argentina held a disruptive protest in the Buenos Aires Cathedral of an interfaith service commemorating Kristallnacht of all things.
What the hell are they thinking?
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Ultra-traditionalist Catholics have openly challenged Pope Francis by disrupting one of his favorite events, a ceremony that he and Jewish leaders led in the Metropolitan Cathedral each year to promote religious harmony on the anniversary of the beginning of the Holocaust.
The annual ceremony brings together Catholics, Jews and Protestants to mark Kristallnacht, the Nazi-led mob violence in 1938 when about 1,000 Jewish synagogues were burned and thousands of Jews were forced into concentration camps, launching the genocide that killed 6 million Jews.
A small group disrupted Tuesday night’s ceremony by shouting the rosary and the “Our Father” prayer, and spreading pamphlets saying “followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple.”
Buenos Aires Archbishop Mario Poli, named by Francis to replace him as Argentina’s top church official, appealed for calm as others in the audience rose up to repudiate them, and the protesters were soon escorted out by police.
The large majority of Traditional Catholics and even SSPX supporters are not anti-Semitic but this is beyond the pale.
November 15, 2013 at 2:11 am
Im assuming a lot of the above have seemed to forget, or were never taught….
The Society of St. Pius X recalls the Catholic doctrine taught in the Encyclical Mortalium animos of Pope Pius XI, as it can be found on the official website of the Vatican:
2. …For since they hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission.
Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule.
Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.
Without any kind of resentment against any other religious community, the Society of St. Pius X adheres to this immutable doctrine and firmly disapproves of the planning of any interreligious ceremony in Catholic churches.
November 15, 2013 at 3:53 am
Indifferentism is truly out of control.
November 15, 2013 at 5:03 am
The woman spitting on them was not exactly Christ like. Crickets ….. She looked possessed to me. Hideous hatred. Look suck up to this dated 70s style Catholicism all you want but that this is getting any attention at all reveals a weird guilty conscience among the Catholic blogo mini popes
November 15, 2013 at 6:53 am
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November 15, 2013 at 7:43 am
this type of ecumenicism is just liberalism masquerading as catholicism. this isn't catholic. this is just liberalism as in, hey, you don't like obamacare, you're racist, hey you don't want other faiths celebrating their rites in a cathedral, you're anti semitic. whatever.
November 15, 2013 at 3:54 pm
"The large majority of Traditional Catholics and even SSPX supporters are not anti-Semitic but this is beyond the pale." I'm not at all sure about that, particularly regarding SSPX. No doubt this is what you WANT to believe, but where is the evidence? In the absence of at least some reasonable survey, all we have to base a conclusion on are public statements by SSPX leaders and comments on blogs like this. The available evidence is against your conclusion.
November 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Jon Pressley said:
"Im assuming a lot of the above have seemed to forget, or were never taught…."
No, you're wrong. Everyone involved in this discussion seems very aware of this. Assholes in combox just want to accuse anyone who isn't pro-SSPX of liberalism and indifferentism and cluck and shake their heads. JB, for instance.
In truth, we're just weighing two evils. The widespread indifferentism in the Church against the consumption of reasonable traditionalism by the tinfoil hat brigade.
The interest in tradition among young people is the best hope for the restoration of the Church in modern times. We don't want to see it killed by idiots, crazies, and bad actors. We don't want to see it smeared. We don't want the Pope to be re-confirmed in his dislike of tradition by ugly demonstrations.
Indifferentism, we're used to that. We've all lived with it. It is much less pervasive than it used to be. More and more young Catholics are being innoculated against it. If we can just keep you pack of rad-trad idiots from strapping the proverbial bombs to yourselves and exploding, maybe we can get some actual traction here.
As long you keep flirting with Anti-semitism, we can all kiss those chances goodbye.
Pat, again, are you happy and proud of the group of readers you've collected?
Maybe tell the tinfoil hat brigade to shove off? Just a suggestions.
November 17, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Wow
I am a Polish/ German Catholic. My grandparents were Catholic in a mostly Jewish town. They spoke Yiddish and we ate Passover foods at Easter. They escaped during the First World War only to later find out that the Nazis had virtually wiped out their town and one of their cousins was killed in a concentration camp. My German side were Jews who escaped through France in the Early 19th century converting to Catholicism along the way.
Tell me agin why can't Jews and Catholics remember their dead together in a place of God???
November 17, 2013 at 8:37 pm
As an SSPX attendee I couldn't see myself taking part in this kind of protest, which, as others have said, seems self-defeating. I would add two things:
1. Where I'm from we generally don't go in for grand gestures like this. In South America perhaps it's different – that goes both for the protest and the reaction to it.
2. Some of the comments against this protest, including the original article, assume that it is possible for Catholics to engage in a publicity campaign that raises awareness of the issue – syncretism in the ecumenical movement – without being accused of anti-semitism somewhere. That is far from obvious. How many times are peaceful pro-life demonstrations described as 'intimidating'?
Essentially, I would like to avoid seeing this protest either as the worst thing ever, or as something that every right-thinking traditionalist should be doing.
November 23, 2013 at 11:36 am
The truest definition ever of an "interfaith meeting"…………………………..
"An inter-faith meeting is a place where a Jewish rabbi, who does not believe in the divinity of Christ, and a Protestant minister, who doubts it, get together with a Catholic priest who agrees to forget it for the evening." – Fr. Feeney