Gosh, I make it a point not to visit Vox Nova often as it is a very silly place. It is just so darn convenient when your religious beliefs coincide with your political beliefs. When its not so convenient, you need to make them coincide. One of the easiest ways to do such a thing is not to clearly define your terms and expect that nobody will bother to ask.
Matt Talbot at Vox Nova entitles his post “Nationalism is Idolatry.” Hmmm. Ok. I think this is a point on which we might agree, provided that some distinctions are drawn and terms defined. Here is how Mr. Talbot defines his terms.
His foreigner friend says “Boy, you have lots of flags in this country.” Matt Talbot responds, “We do? I shall drive around and assess for myself.” Matt Talbot drives around and says “Omigosh, we do have lots of flags in this country. Flags are evidence of nationalism. We are evil nationalists!”
Matt Talbot then calls upon every right (sorry, left) thinking Catholic to fight against the ghastly sin of flag exposition.
Think I exaggerate?
…Callie, my coworker, was right: there was never a place where an American flag was not visible. We made 20 stops, and most of the time we did not even have to get out of the car to find one. This was not the 4th of July or Memorial Day (and well before 9/11/2001).
Nationalism saturates American life – it is just the ever-present, ambient sound coming from every form of corporate media, 24/7/365, so ever-present that it has become, in an odd way, invisible. I have come to understand that it is idolatry – subtler, arguably, than building a golden calf, but no less idolatrous. And it disturbs me a great deal.
I wish Catholic priests and laity would stand up more often against this sort of thing. We Catholics, at every level of our society and in every vocation, me included, have failed to do our jobs of providing clear witness against this spiritually destructive idol.
Without fail, the lefty echo chamber (aka Michael Iafrate) responds with this insightful comment.
Exactly right. Great post.
The propaganda becomes even more obvious when you live outside of the u.s. for a few years and then come back.
We definitely should not have them in our churches, or flying outside of our churches.
Mr. Iafrate, having been outside of the country, is in the unique position to know such incredible things.
How these folks make the leap that exposition of the flag is sinful nationalism is beyond me. I fly a flag at my home because I wish to signify the respect for my country and the God-given freedoms that she has endeavored to secure for me. I fly a flag to show respect for the men and women how have sacrificed and died to to protect those freedoms. I fly my flag to show my proper and fitting esteem for my country and to show the honor properly owed to her.
In a similar way, while not blind to their faults, I show honor and esteem for my parents as God has commanded.
To suggest that flags flying at car dealerships, libraries, malls, and even churches constitutes a sinful nationalism and idolatry is simply as disingenuous as it is senseless. In other words, perfectly Vox Nova.
December 17, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Rick, your first statement in your last comment leads me to believe you are heartless. Catholicism encourages us to, at the very least, have hearts. Keep trying.
I commend Matt for hitting so squarely the big, fat, throbbing nerve that he did. Paladin's raving is alone worth the effort of your post. Bravo!
December 17, 2009 at 10:09 pm
M.I. A surgeon may appear heartless when he cuts open a patient. But it is he (and God) who removes the tumor and cures the person and not the bleeding hearts that are crying around.
December 17, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Paladin's raving is alone worth the effort of your post.
"Raving?"
For someone who doesn't like charges of "ad hominem" laid in his lap, you've certainly made it more difficult for you to defend yourself against the charge! I think I'll let the audience decide who's raving, and who's not, friend.
December 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm
RIck – Who are you attempting to "cure"?
Paladin – I wasn't aware we were in front of an audience. That explains your behavior I suppose.
December 17, 2009 at 10:51 pm
MI. Prevention is better than cure. We can prevent another 9/11.
December 18, 2009 at 1:38 am
Iafrate does such a good job at being the chief asshole of the blogosphere that a lot of people think he must be a conservative plant.
December 18, 2009 at 1:46 am
Ah, 9/11! Good move, Rick. I see this is going no where fast. The ideology is suffocating.
So is the cowardice, Anonymous!
Take care, all.
December 18, 2009 at 2:10 am
MI. I enjoyed the exchange. Stop by my site sometime and explain how people can reconcile supporting the murder of unborn children or infants even with being moral or being a follower of Jesus. http://www.divine-ripples.blogspot.com/
December 18, 2009 at 4:54 am
Rick – I have no idea how people can reconcile those things. I am against abortion myself. I see that you are one of those amusing everything-is-really-about-abortion-deep-down types, though. Good luck with your blog but I have no interest in it.
December 18, 2009 at 1:55 pm
The first sentence of this blog post says it all. Cheers to MJ and Katerina and Joe Hargrave and Kyle Cupp for checking out from that bunch of dumbasses.
December 18, 2009 at 6:07 pm
that bunch of dumbasses
Now THERE is an attack for those of you who are confused.
BTW – Kyle is still with us, i.e. still a "dumbass."
December 18, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Wow, I just got called a dumbass. And plenty more in this thread. What is the point, exactly?
I just don't get why people can't be more specific with their darts and throw them with more conviction. Why not do a line-by-line of the post as challenge the writer to reply? Why drag things into generalities?
Why not try and find the person and meet for a beer or three and talk things over? Why not be Catholic?
This depresses me–on all sides.
December 19, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Sorry, Michael, that's not an insult, just a factual description.
Sam — you seem one of the least dumbass people over there. But then why do you associate with them in the first place? Several of them really aren't that bright. Michael, MM, and Gerald seem as if they could have been somewhat intelligent, but they're so bent by hatred for their political enemies that they function as dumbasses.
December 19, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Thanks Anonymous. Its comforting to know that I am only a little bit of a dumbass. How kind!
December 19, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Sam, silence! I suggest you kneel before the "chief asshole of the blogosphere"!
December 21, 2009 at 12:33 am
Merry Christmas to all from the dumbasses!