If I were to say to you that the government was indoctrinating our children in population control many would probably say Matt’s been taking his conspiracy theory pills again. But what would you say if a Democratic congressman actually said that he’d like to see children indoctrinated in population control.
CNS reports:
Rep. John Sarbanes (D-Md.) told CNSNews.com at a “Sustainability Education Summit” hosted by the U.S. Education Department on Tuesday that environmental education in schools can “promote the agenda” of climate change and population growth through the influence it has on children.
“Like I keep saying over and over again, if you get young people invested in those ideas early on, that will result in those kinds of positive policy developments,” Sarbanes told CNSNews.com. “So, whether it’s climate change, whether it’s population growth, whether it’s all these factors that impact the health of our world, raising that awareness early among young people is only going to promote the agenda.”
And he’s not the only one advocating a return to the good ol’ days when procreation was a top down decision and not left up entirely to the little people who were liable to pop out two, three, four, five or six kids or more. They can’t just let the world go all Duggar on them, right?
September 23, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Yet another argument in favor of large families (outnumberingi kooks like Holdren and Pelosi, among other more compelling reasons) and of homeschooling them – if possible – or putting them in good Catholic schools. The war has been raging for a long time already, and we know Who wins in the end.
September 23, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Religion relies pretty heavily on indoctrination too. Just saying.
September 24, 2010 at 8:32 am
???
I graduated in '01, and– although our teacher was very, very good– the texts all assumed that folks wouldn't want more than one or two kids. My family, at three children with the same, married parents, was unusual. (And this was in one of the best schools in the state.)
September 24, 2010 at 8:44 am
Ah-HA! Knew I had the link somewhere.
http://www.overpopulationisamyth.com/
Seen their videos? Might be post fodder for you.
September 24, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Religion relies pretty heavily on indoctrination too. Just saying.
Indeed. Indoctrination is just a 50-cent word for "teaching". Since everyone has a worldview, and everyone wants that worldview to prevail, everyone engages in indoctrination. The difference of course is that the Church is perfectly up front about this. Sobrannes and his ilk like to pretend that they are coming from a position of professional neutrality and common sense.
September 24, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Why is he saying "population growth", when he really means population control (i.e. decrease)?
More double speak by the left. Like how they refuse to call themselves anti-life, as opposed to us pro-life wackos. They try to make you think they "for" something, so that must be good, rather than be against something, which is really what they are about. Against, life, against pro-creation, against religion, against
most things that give life meaning. We we're living in a socialist/communist state, will understand better how these jerks can make life empty and meaningless.
September 24, 2010 at 11:06 pm
@romishgraffiti
the church is up front about it? Why did I not receive any notification that what they were attempting to teach me was indoctrination before I reached the age of reason?
September 24, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Loki-
before the age of reason, you are (obviously) unable to make decisions for yourself; your guardians take that role, and they educated you.
Presumably, they knew they were teaching you, so there's the notification.
Do you also complain about being instructed in language? Manners? Laws? Science? How to move? I'm not sure who notification for all of those would come from, if you're going to ask for all that….
The emotional charge of "indoctrinate" is not entirely deserved– being taught math requires indoctrination. Science requires indoctrination, so you have a grasp on the giants' shoulders. Possibly the emotional baggage comes from indoctrination in things that are positions, rather than disciplines.
September 25, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Indoctrination: teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically (wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn)
I was never taught to learn things uncritically, especially in science. However, I was in religion. That is the difference between teaching and indoctrinating.
September 25, 2010 at 11:59 pm
indoctrination
S: (v) indoctrinate (teach doctrines to; teach uncritically)
doctrines:
S: (n) doctrine, philosophy, philosophical system, school of thought, ism (a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school)
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
That is not a dictionary, by the way– it's a borderline open-source research database.
If we go to dictionary.com:
Indoctrinate
–verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
1.to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2.to teach or inculcate.
3.to imbue with learning.
doctrine
–noun
1.
a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.
2.
something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine.
3.
a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject: the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
You were taught the philosophy of science critically? Against what did you test it? How did you test it, without accepting it?
How about math? Unless you accept the basic system, how can you critically examine if 1+1=2?
You teach someone first, and once they have a solid grasp on the subject you introduce critical thinking skills.
General before specific.