Catholic 1: I don’t like attending the Novus Ordo because it is so often done in an illicit manner.

Catholic 2: All that matters is that the mass is valid.

Catholic 1: If all that matters is the mass is valid, maybe I’ll go to an SSPX mass. SSPX masses are valid.

Catholic 2: But you can’t, they are ILLICIT!!!

And round and round we go.