Bill O’Reilly vs. Salon Editor.
Hot Air has analysis and other video on this as well.
June 13, 2009
June 13, 2009 at 3:09 pm
What was shocking (because I can never get used to it) is that she slipped in, "I am a pro-choice Catholic." At what point are the bishops going to finally put an end to so-called Catholics using their Catholicism to sanction the killing of innocents?
June 13, 2009 at 3:25 pm
May I respectfully suggest that its not the bishops who will "finally put an end to" this but Catholic Pewsitters. When WE start telling our family members that, no, its not possible for you to be a prochoice Catholic any more that its possible for you to say you're a Yankee & play for the Mets…there's no such animal.
When WE start calling family members on contracepting; when WE start speaking up about living together, not only by the young people in our families but also by the parents & grandparents; when WE take the ball & run it down the court, THEN we can point fingers at the bishops. Don't expect them to do your duty (& your dirty work) for you.
June 13, 2009 at 3:37 pm
For one thing, and I'm glad Bill pressed her on this, she did reveal her beliefs on the issue as summed up in the two words, "it's legal.
That, to the liberal moonbat, is all the approval that is needed. If men declare open season on a child that would be protected outside the womb while inside the womb, that's fine and dandy with her because "it's legal."
As for her claim to be a "Pro-choice catholic", I wish Bill would've thrown that in her face. If you're pro-choice, you're pro-murder, and thus cannot be a Catholic.
June 13, 2009 at 4:05 pm
The bishops have indeed the duty to guide and correct. And they are not doing it. This is not doing "dirty work" – it is their duty!
We have about 300 bishops in this country. Just before the elections, barely a third became vocal about how Catholics should vote and conduct themselves, and that was only when Pelosi embarrassed herself with her brilliant interpretation of Church tradition re. abortion.
That is pathetic and sad. How they have wasted the entire primaries to educate and inform their flock. They have been cowards and hiding behind their desks. My own bishop did not permit the Voter Guide by Priests for Life to be passed out in the parishes. Only this sad "Faithful Citizenship" document was to be used. I tell you exactly what that is good for. If all the bishops can do is to come out with a document that is so full of loopholes that the likes of Kmiec can and will use it for their own agenda it is at best good to be used in washrooms.
In light of Notre Shame, even less than the aforementioned third came out to speak publicly against what was going on there. Have they not learned since the elections? That is sad, so incredibly sad. We have an episcopacy with no backbone whatsoever. They have become relativists. They are supposed to lead!
If I as a faithful go out to the slaughterhouse to pray (or to Notre Dame to pray), get arrested for my right to peacefully assemble and protest and the bishops don't do anything about this, it is betrayal, plain and simple.
And this is exactly what the episcopate is doing right now. They are leaving the faithful out to dry. They are traitors to our faith! Cardinal Schoenborn of Vienna used a different term a few months ago when he accused the bishops of being silent and negligent for 40 years about Humanae Vitae. He called that silence 'the sins of the bishops'!
So long, as we do not hear on a regular basis from the pulpit the Catholic teaching on faith and morals, nothing will happen! We as pewsitters can preach all we want. So long as the episcopate is not backing us up, the other side will laugh in our face, which is exactly what this piece of work on O'Reilly's show did to O'Reilly. She ended up threatening him, for crying out loud. And that is not violence?
Give me a freaking break!
Yes, the bishops are primarily at fault here. They are the ones who are called and ordained to lead in faith, morals and prayer. And they are not doing it.
I called my bishop in a respectful way on his silence re. Notre Shame and pro-choice 'Catholics' …. I got a non-committal one liner back from him. That is pathetic, deplorable and lazy!
The faithful have a right and a duty to demand from their bishops proper leadership in faith, morals as well as prayer. Nobody can be Catholic and pro-choice. But do you hear that from the episcopate?
I said it here before – the thought of how many souls the bishops may have misled due to their cowardice and silence is daunting.
June 13, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Church Militant; militant has more than one meaning, how far can we slur those together?
June 13, 2009 at 4:54 pm
"it was legal" – is that all it comes down to now? Wasn't slavery "legal" at one time? When all we can do is parse our words, it is a sad state of affairs.
June 13, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I'm amazed he didn't shout back at her with an "Or what… I'll be sorry or what?" when she threatened him. How childish she looked and sounded when she said "don't mock me or you'll be sorry."
THIS is what I don't like. It's THESE types of people that drive others crazy because they just don't listen. She wanted to demonize Bill but refused to answer the question until it slipped out.
And I honestly and getting tired of the people that use their Catholicity as a badge of honor to support abortion. It's nothing but another slip into the wind to show others that are watching that it's "ok" to be Catholic and support abortion. They're ruining the name of our Church.
June 14, 2009 at 12:13 am
Wasn't slavery "legal" at one time?
Yes, it was. As were the gulags and the concentration camps such as Auschwitz. All were "legal" because wicked men declared them the law.
Something to ponder on when one of these people opens their mouths to utter error.
June 14, 2009 at 12:20 am
You & me may have the same bishop! Its really not a case of "either/or". I'm not giving them a pass. All I'm saying is that, if saints like Margaret Clitherow waited on their bishops, they wouldn't be saints right now. When I stand before the Lord (soon, I hope!), its just not going to work to point a finger at my Silent Bishop. That's all.
June 14, 2009 at 12:46 am
She defended the industry of abortion with the nonchalant comment, "It's legal" and followed it up with an absurd comparison to gun sales and the right to bear arms. The Death Peddlers never see a connexion between the legal treatment of minorities in other criminal regimes. Slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws, and the Nazi Holocaust were all technically legal institutions of their day.
June 14, 2009 at 4:04 am
I wish that O'Reilly had mentioned the other things that were legal, too. But I don't think she'd get it.
There is one question I wish I could ask these pro-choice Catholics (as I've never met one): How do you reconcile "choice" with denying an individual – a person created by God – from ever having the opportunity to live and to know Christ?
June 14, 2009 at 5:33 am
People deny the humanity of others because it is expedient to do so.
What is painful is the number of Catholics who think because they vote Democrat that they must therefore surrender this component of their faith life to the legalism arguement.
June 14, 2009 at 6:29 am
Having discussed these matters with pro-choice Catholics (who are often democrat) It quickly boils down to an argument of "Well, I never would but…" which is bogus. We are not discussing what you or I would do. I would never seek the extermination of a culture, but others have and continue to do so– so make it illegal. I would never rape or murder, but others have and continue to do so– so make it illegial.
The bottom line is this. When faced with someone who throws up the picket fence of "personally, I would never" ask them the simple 3 letter word… "why?" WHY would they never do it? Because it is wrong? Because that baby is alive? Then WHY is it okay that someone else does it? WHY does THAT individual's CHOICE over-rule the LIFE of that baby? WHY?!?!
So much of the BULL that comes from the left (political, religious, and liturgical) can be brought crashing down upon itself by simply asking "why"
Also, liturgical… ask "where" as in "where is it written that this is allowable?" The burden of proof lies with the one seeking to change the status quo, not the one asking.
June 14, 2009 at 9:32 am
Adolf Hitler made the 'law' in Germany and many people said I was just obeying the law in those times.Non Arians weren't considered people in the same way.
June 15, 2009 at 12:38 am
I hope you take the time to read Cardinal Arinze's commencement address at Thomas More College of Liberal Arts. He said an authentically Catholic citizen will say "I am Catholic and therefore…" not "I am Catholic, but…"
June 15, 2009 at 5:41 am
Anon@10:09am and Mum you are both correct. I caught the "pro-choice Catholic" comment too and it sickened me.
G, it is not an either/or, but at the same time expecting efficiency from our bishops as good shepherds for their flock is not "finger pointing". St Catherine of Siena did just that, and guess what, she made it into heaven just fine.
June 15, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Yes. So let's apply today's pro-abortion logic to slavery:
1) It's legal
2) If you don't like slavery, don't own a slave!
Let's see how that goes over. Say it to a pro-abort once, especially someone who has the "Don't like abortion? Don't have one!" bumper sticker on their car and watch them absolutely lose their minds trying to find a way to justify abortion, but not slavery.
June 15, 2009 at 7:10 pm
You know Catherine of Siena is a great example of the point I was trying to make…along with Margaret Clitherow etc. Let me tell you why: One thing that impressed me so much reading Catherine's letters was that she was not at all shy about speaking up to her OWN family. Eg., before she spoke to the Pope, she wrote long letters to her mom & some of her many siblings re: how they were living their lives, raising their kids etc. So thank you for making my point for me: Before we chastise our bishops/priests, we could all do with an examen of our own fidelity to our own situations. Its just too facile to carp endlessly on the bishops.
June 16, 2009 at 3:45 am
Of course, we should always examine how faithful we have adhered to the faith. That's why we have the Sacrament for.
The thing is, though, where are we going to learn our faith from if not from our shepherds?
Sure, we can read the big fat book called Catechism of the Catholic Church – the bishops will still be held responsible for the flock they have kept with the faith — or not!
Naturally, the bishops' responsibility to teach does not mean that the faithful can sit back and point fingers. But it does not mean, that the bishops can sit back and let the faithful do their jobs, either!
Both parties have their job to do, and both parties individually will be held accountable for what they did and didn't do. Pointing out the silence and negligence of the bishops is not chastising them, it is calling a spade a spade.
St. Catherine of Siena also said: We have had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence!
Tonight I am grateful for the Divine Mercy devotion.
June 16, 2009 at 7:03 am
G I wasn't proving your point. I'm sorry if you are too self-absorbed to see when you have been corrected.
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