Moe Lane at RedState declares that Charlie Rangel (D-efraud) is a modern day gnostic after declaring that, well. watch it for yourself.
“You have to recall that Judas was ultimately forgiven…Judas became a saint, I think.”
Charlie obviously reads from a different gospel. I suppose that when you betray a public trust and you are cast out of your position becuase of it, preferring a gospel in which the traitor is ultimately a saint makes sense. Only one problem. Its not true.
April 3, 2010 at 5:02 pm
… and their truth shall give them fleas. Hopefully, in unscratchable places.
April 3, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Just be happy he's not a pastor spouting this stuff to his congregation.
April 3, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Please tell me he's not Catholic.
April 3, 2010 at 7:12 pm
That might be an Eastern Orthodox tradition. Those guys love to hand out sainthoods.
April 3, 2010 at 7:18 pm
I thought the Catholic Church hasn't declared ANYONE to definitively be in hell. So who knows, he might be a saint.
April 3, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Not the Eastern (Chalcedonian) Orthodox but the non-Chalcedonian Copts and the Ethiopians too consider that Judas repented and suffered a self-imposed death penalty as a penance. So yes they do have a St Judas Iscariot! A bit odd certainly …
April 3, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I think Judas is the patron saint of the Democratic party. St. Bart Stupak is up for canonization too.
April 4, 2010 at 6:05 am
All joking aside, I don't think we should say that anyone is in Hell, even Judas. That being said, Rangel's comments seemed irreverent, and almost blasphemous.
April 4, 2010 at 5:54 pm
"All joking aside, I don't think we should say that anyone is in Hell, even Judas."
That is pretty squishy thinking. By this logic, can we say that anyone is in Heaven either?
April 5, 2010 at 12:39 am
Yes we can say anyone is in heaven, because the Church solemnly teaches so. In any case we can say that Jesus is in heaven. The Church does not teach the proposition 'N is in hell'.
To say 'we can't say someone is in hell' is not the same as saying 'we can say no one is in hell'.
April 5, 2010 at 4:11 am
This man is incredibly ignorant — has he ever opened a Bible in his life???? Crass and stupid. Is there some kind of epidemic of this in US politics? First Joe Biden with his public f-bombs, now this guy with his apalling dumb comments. Must be a virus going round.
April 5, 2010 at 5:37 am
"Yes we can say anyone is in heaven, because the Church solemnly teaches so. In any case we can say that Jesus is in heaven. The Church does not teach the proposition 'N is in hell'.
To say 'we can't say someone is in hell' is not the same as saying 'we can say no one is in hell'."
Still squishy. Outside of the saints, whom the Church has declared to be in heaven, can we say with any certainty if any individual is in Heaven? This is where belief comes in.
Just as I BELIEVE my grandparents are in Heaven, I also BELIEVE that Judas is in Hell. I base my beliefs upon available information and not upon conjecture.
Sympathy for the wicked (such as Judas) is a character flaw. The implication being that we are more compassionate than God. Judas exercised his free will in spite of the suggestion that he was a "victim" of prophecy.
April 5, 2010 at 6:31 pm
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April 5, 2010 at 6:51 pm
We don't know whether Judas repented or not as he was dying from hanging himself. Will the Democrats do that too? If they do, I doubt if they will repent because with all the information about the unborn child, who can really feign ignorance? In other words, they know what they were doing.
April 6, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Jesus himself said "Woe to that man by whom He is betrayed. It would have been better for that man had he not been born" (Matt 26:24). Would He say that of someone who ultimately ended up in Heaven?
It doesn't surprise me that a liberal democrat (a Rangel, a Pelosi or a Kennedy) would adopt someone like Judas as a kind of patron saint (for liberals). According to liberal-think, he succeeded in his treachery.