What else to say? Coming from Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, this really hurts. Wrong wrong wrong.
What else to say? Coming from Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, this really hurts. Wrong wrong wrong.
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April 17, 2010 at 6:55 am
What a horrible individual. I used to think he had potential as he showed signs of siding with traditional Catholicism. But this confirms what I had suspected.
God will have a special place in the afterlife for him.
April 17, 2010 at 7:31 am
This is a shame of shames. I hope his Excellency does a lot of soul searching, because this is a heinous case of putting affection before the truth, which in the end, is putting feelings before God.
Cardinal Hoyos really needs to figure out if his orthodoxy extends to his actual practice of his faith in his life, because otherwise his dedication to the mass is empty and not praiseworthy. He should denounce this and sincerely apologize, this is a travesty.
April 17, 2010 at 11:42 am
@Early Riser
If I were you, I would think long and hard before placing myself in the position of Divine Judge.
Your Comment:
" What a horrible individual…..
God will have a special place in the afterlife for him."
Shows nothing but ill-masked hatred.
I do not know the full details of this case, you do not know the full details of this case.
And, until we do, I would be most hesitant to pass judgement
After all, if you took everything the media says about the Pope, at face value, you would naturally assume that he is a evil maniac. However, we know that he is not.
Also, you need to remember that
His Eminence is a Prince of the Church, I recommend that you show a little respect.
As for your last statement, what kind of inanity and pride does it take, for someoene to set themsleves up as Divine judge and Jury?
April 17, 2010 at 12:49 pm
"His Eminence is a Prince of the Church, I recommend that you show a little respect."
..aaand the groveling idolatry toward the priesthood continues.
April 17, 2010 at 1:17 pm
"..aaand the groveling idolatry toward the priesthood continues."
….aaand the the protestant hatred and enmity toward the Priesthood of Melchizedek continues.
April 17, 2010 at 1:24 pm
How is that "grovelling idolatry"? The person has a respect for the priesthood and Holy Mother Church. They are not worshipping the priest as God, and the priests do deserve our great respect.
I would take it from your remark that have a disdain towards priests.
April 17, 2010 at 3:17 pm
"God will have a special place in the afterlife for him."
We should never pass judgement on another individual. All we can say is that this particular action is wrong, we have no idea how culpable he was for it at that time. We don't know the future, he may repent and do penance for this for the rest of his life, you may commit a worse sin.
The measure by which you measure will be measured out to you. State that the sin is wrong, don't judge the man's soul.
April 17, 2010 at 3:43 pm
This seems to me very similar to what Cardinal Law did in Boston. Was he trying to protect his brother priests, but disregarding that there are people who have been grievously harmed by those priests' actions? I don't know all the facts, but it looks like this is a reapeat of what happened in the US in the early '90's. This when the Europeans were accusing us of being puritanical. I believe Pope Benedict gets it, but looks like maybe some of the cardinals did not get it, at least in 2001. I hope they do now.
April 17, 2010 at 4:22 pm
The silver lining of this very dark cloud is that it vindicates the Vatican from any wrong doing with regards disciplining errant priests. It was the bishops call then. But I wouldn't hold my breath for the NYT to make all these clarifications.
April 17, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Despite his being a Prince of Church I think we are entitled to an explanation from his Eminence. With great office comes great responsibility. What was his motivation in writing that letter? What was the full context in which the letter was written? Was his eminence misled by the French Bishop on the substance of the charges against the offending priest?
These are a few of the legitimate questions to which all serious Catholics are entitled to a serious response from Hoyos.
If he cannot give a reasonable answer to these questions then he should be made to resign his position, whatever it happens to be at the moment.
Apologies and expressions of regret are simply not adequate at this time.
Finally, one thought: it seems to me that considering the work that Hoyos did for many years in reconciling the SSPX and for the extension of the Traditional Mass, we should not discount the possibility that this may be a prime example of "payback" from the opponents of Tradition in the Vatican.
John Vicente
April 17, 2010 at 4:34 pm
First, I am Catholic. I do not have hatred or enmity toward the Priesthood; I do, however, have open contempt for those who would prostitute their priesthood to secure their freedom from justice. I regard those ignorant laypeople who would kiss their ass with pity.
Secondly, if you are willing to place the reputation of priests before truth, and you call that an act of respect, you are objectively lying. It's the equivalent of honoring a soldier's sacrifice by surrendering to the enemy – it is undeniably false.
When you are willing to sacrifice children to the reputation of the priesthood, when you praise others for doing the same, then you are no better than an idolater in the service of Molech. When you are willing to pimp your priesthood to secure obstruction of justice, at the expense of other people's children, then your expression of the priesthood has become grossly defective; there is nothing left to respect.
There is redemption, but it is not accomplished through lying and deception, in spite of Hoyos' teaching by example, and his will to have all other Bishops do the same.
On Saturday, April 24 at 1:00 PM, Dario Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, will celebrate Mass in the Extraordinary Form at the High Altar of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC. I hope this lying, deceptive, idolatrous priest meets repentance.
April 17, 2010 at 5:27 pm
To Guglielmo et al – God will have a special place in the afterlife FOR ALL OF US! Geeze! This is Christianity 101! You people are in dire need of catechesis. I never said he is going to hell. He will be JUDGED as will we ALL. His vestments will not protect him.
As for my other comment about him being a horrible individual, that one is pure opinion. And in this case, I stand by it. This report came from romereports.com and NOT the NY Times. I will not apologyze for calling a spade a spade, and I will not sit back and allow weak-minded people to attempt to destroy the church AGAIN.
April 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm
I cannot see how it's possible to try and convict a man based on a
two-minute video report. Before piling on, let's reflect on the fact
that we don't yet have all of the information about this matter.
As to the controversial letter, I've only seen one quote pulled out
of context. I haven't had a chance to read the entire letter, but I do
wonder if His Eminence was aware of all of the allegations against
the French priest when the letter was written. John Vicente's post
at 11:25AM is full of good sense regarding this.
Keep in mind the Holy Father's recent experiences in the kangaroo
court of public opinion. I've run into many folks who have rushed to
judgement of the Pope after reading an article or two (and we've seen
how biased/incompetent almost all of the coverage has been). I've
no desire to copy their behavior by rushing to judgement here.
April 17, 2010 at 7:56 pm
"On Saturday, April 24 at 1:00 PM, Dario Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, will celebrate Mass in the Extraordinary Form at the High Altar of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC. I hope this lying, deceptive, idolatrous priest meets repentance…"
And it is through his hands that Christ will be brought to the Mass attendees.
April 17, 2010 at 8:35 pm
I hope I don't get what I deserve when I die and I hope the same for Card. Hoyos and everyone else here. God have mercy on us all.
April 17, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Please read this post. Cardinal Castrillón said Pope John Paul II saw his letter to Msgr. Pican and recomended him to send it to all bishops. Glup. Castrillon should better have read and answered with paragraph 11 of the letter Pope Benedict XVI has sent to ireland catholics…
http://bit.ly/aJr7cW
April 17, 2010 at 9:28 pm
And that information is delivered just now, few days left before the Pontifical Mass in National Shrine in Washington DC. The wolves inside are really working…
April 17, 2010 at 10:31 pm
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April 17, 2010 at 11:24 pm
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April 17, 2010 at 11:29 pm
(Sorry, I really needed to fix my first comment, so deleted it)
Here is what the cardinal wrote (my translation from the French):
September 8, 2001
Most Reverend Excellency:
I am writing to you as Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, charged with collaborating in the responsibility of the common Father over all the priests of the world.
I congratulate you for not having denounced a priest to the civil administration. You have acted well, and I rejoice to have a brother in the episcopate who, in the eyes of history and of all the other bishops of the world, has preferred prison rather than denouncing his priest-son.
In reality, the relationship between priests and their bishop is not professional; it is a sacramental relationship, which creates very special bonds of spiritual paternity. This theme has been amply taken up again by the last Council, by the 1971 Synod of Bishops and the one in 1991. The bishop has other means of acting, as the Episcopal Conference of France has recently recalled; but a bishop cannot be required to denounce [him] himself. In all civilized legal systems it is recognized that close relatives have the opportunity not to testify against a direct relative.
We recall to you your regard the words of St. Paul: “My imprisonment has become well known in Christ throughout the whole Praetorium and to all the rest, and the majority of the brothers, having taken encouragement in the Lord from my imprisonment, dare more than ever to proclaim the word fearlessly” (Phil. 1:13-14).
This Congregation, in order to encourage brothers in the episcopate in this very sensitive area, will send copies of this letter to all the conferences of bishops.
Assuring you of my fraternal closeness in the Lord, I greet you with your auxiliary and the whole of your diocese.
Dario Castrillon H
Fernando Jimines(?)
Bureau Chief
If somebody knows what the French episcopate said and what the "other ways of acting" a bishop was supposed to have were, we'd have a better idea of what he was talking about.
Also, was the bishop being asked to turn the priest in, or to testify against him in court? If it were the first, then Castrillon Hoyos' reasoning wouldn't apply; I'm not sure it would apply anyway. I expect we really don't have all the necessary information to understand this yet.
One way of understanding (not necessarily excusing) this attitude would be to recall that to the more traditional wing of the French Church, the modern state is an enemy not to be trusted, much more so than anyone in the U.S. is capable of grasping. This is all the result of the French Revolution of 1789 and the fact that the modern French state from the beginning was highly anti-religious and anti-clerical.
A traditionalist like Castrillon Hoyos would most likely share this attitude. He might have suspected that a Church trial would be more fair, etc. Once again, I don't want to excuse his attitude if he were aware that the priest was guilty, but this might help explain it.