With over 50% of the people on the dole and with no checks and balances left to limit the power of the government left, America as we knew it is done.
The only check on tyranny left is revolution. That can be peaceful or not peaceful, but the government as it stands must perish.
I am now convinced more than ever this will eventually lead to secession.
I fear that liberty lost is only found again in blood-soaked places.
Some additional comment.
How long until Congress figures out that they can tax you for voting Republican or failing to vote Democrat?
It is for days like these that God invented both tar and feathers.
And a reminder, for this very reason “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
June 28, 2012 at 5:32 pm
How can Obama tax some of the people for not adhereing to his HHS mandate and exempt others? This reeks of political discrimination because of religious discrimination.
June 28, 2012 at 6:25 pm
12:43 I may be ignorant but at least I have a name. I will show my ignorance to the whole world: Here comes hate speech for saying so: If it were a tax there would be no exemptions. It is a penalty built into Obamacare, a penalty to punish the human being for having a conscience and an immortal soul. The devil has no immortal soul and his name is LEGION like anonymous. The ANONYMOUS LEGION IS THE DEVIL'S NAME
June 28, 2012 at 6:31 pm
What if English were her second language? It is irrelevant. She has a right to speak. Ad hominem comments do not advance the discussion.
June 28, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Relying on the legal precedent of the removal of the sovereign PERSON of God from the public square and removal of the sovereign person from the womb, unborn, Supreme Court Justice John Roberts bases his decision on the removal of the sovereign personhood of the human being from the public square to redeem Obamacare. When you lay down with dogs you get up with flees. Flees carry the plague, the bubonic plague. We are all going to need Obamacare now. Do you think contraception will work on the bubonic plague? How about bacon fat? Thanks Elle: They, whoever they are, have blocked me from The American Catholic. I hope it is not the American Catholic but I cannot enter through Creative Minority Report or through Google, or Internet Explorer. The cyber war is in place. Let FREEDOM ring.
June 28, 2012 at 8:17 pm
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. …
June 28, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Patrick:
It's not a good sign when Joseph D'Hippolito is the voice of reason in a conversation, and he is the voice of reason here. Please rethink this post. This is dangerous crazy talk. It is also, by the way, a golden opportunity for some smart boy in the Obama DOJ to accuse EWTN (which is, recall, engaged in the HHS lawsuit) of sponsoring "terrorists". Cool off. Take this post down. Reassess. You are inviting crazies to commit acts of vigilante violence.
Mark Shea
June 28, 2012 at 8:35 pm
anonymous 2:01 The ANONYMOUS LEGION IS THE DEVIL'S NAME
June 28, 2012 at 8:48 pm
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2012/06/28/did-roberts-just-give-obama-the-bird/
June 28, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Will Mark Shea please keep his Ad Hominem attacks on his own blog.
June 28, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Clues for the clueless, Jim. An ad hominem is "Your argument is wrong because you are ugly or a thief or a bad dresser". It is not ad hominem to point out that advocating bloody revolution is both crazy and impractical, as well as reckless and foolish. It is common sense. What is being advocated here is, and can only be, vigilante violence and murder of elected officials over a law that was, like it or not, duly passed by duly elected officials using constitutional processes. Calling for blood soaked violent revolution is insane. It is also, a) not going to happen but b) could very well draw the attention of the Obama Administration and Homeland Security and wind up putting hotheads behind bars in our paranoid security state. That is a stupid way to proceed if you want to change the law. Listen to Joe. He's right. Secession and violence chatter are short cuts to nowhere.
(I can't believe I'm siding with Joe D'Hippolito in an argument. The apocalypse is at hand. 🙂 )
Mark Shea
June 28, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Mark, I really appreciate your support. I mean that.
I suggest everybody calm down and reassess after a few days. I'm not suggesting that people agree with the Supreme Court's decision or support ObamaCare. But too many people have placed too much hope in the future of the Repubic on this decision.
If we can survive the Civil War and the Depression, we can survive this.
If we can survive Pres. Lincoln suspending habeas corpus for the duration of the Civil War, we can survive this.
June 28, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Mark,
Are you serious? Really?
I did not advocate vigilante violence or terrorism and for you to suggest so is ridiculous.
Do I think that this type of out of control governance will eventually lead to secession. I do think so. I didn't advocate it.
I said that I fear that liberty lost is only found again in blood-soaked places. I do fear that.
Your comments are beyond reason and robustly silly.
June 28, 2012 at 9:45 pm
I was referring to the ad hominem attack on Mr. D'Hippolito, even if he doesn't recognise it.
June 28, 2012 at 9:53 pm
So, let me get this straight, Mr. Shea:
You say that because the government might use strong-arm tactics and coercive measures to shut down decent if it is expressed in strong, physical terms, including using arms allowed by the 2nd amendment to defend ourselves from government over reach… The Archbolds shouldn't suggest that we may need to defend ourselves? Really, I've read the healthcare bill. It clearly advocates euthanizing the elderly and forcing us to pay for killing the unborn. What do you consider important enough to defend with force?
-Suzanne Carl
June 28, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Patrick: Most readers of English, including most of your readers, seem to be understanding you as I did. When you say, "The only check on tyranny left is revolution. That can be peaceful or not peaceful, but the government as it stands must perish." That does sound uncommonly like you are putting violent revolution on the table for discussion." So does, "I am now convinced more than ever this will eventually lead to secession." Secession is not commonly a peaceful process as Great War of Secession demonstrated.
"I fear that liberty lost is only found again in blood-soaked places" does, it is true, have the clause "I fear" in it. But it doesn't read like you are discouraging the thought, merely saying why you believe the thought necessary to consider as a live option.
Also, "It is for days like these that God invented both tar and feathers" does sound uncommonly like a call for vigilante violence, as does the suggestion that this legal act by elected state representatives is somehow an ocassion for quoting this: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That does sound very the suggestion, not the regret, that somebody take up arms and start shooting somebody in reaction to this ruling.
I say with respect: You should take this post down, Pat.
Mark Shea
June 28, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Suzanne:
Who do you propose needs to be killed? Who do you propose does the killing? That is, in plain English, what you are saying. So: you want that well armed militia to open fire? Who's the target? And who's shooting? And on whose authority?
God help me, but I'm saying it again: Listen to Joe D'Hippolito here and cool down. Joe, if things continue at this rate I'm going to have to buy you a beer. This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Mark Shea
June 28, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Mark,
I know you want so much to be right and will twist anything I say to mean other than what it means in the context in which it was delivered. Truth not being the desired end, I will not engage in that back and forth which you so relish.
Your comments remain profoundly silly.
June 28, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Twist? I'm quoting you for Pete's sake. And truth is emphatically my desired end. Would that you saw that.
Oh well, I tried. Hopefully you'll cool off and rethink this.
Mark Shea
June 28, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Mark, you may think you read something different than what I said.
Me: …including using arms allowed by the 2nd amendment to defend ourselves from government over reach…
You: Who do you propose needs to be killed? Who do you propose does the killing?
I believe that I'm taking about defending our homes and families from being sucked into this quagmire of euthanasia and forced payment for abortion services. Violence should be a last resort. But you say: "Calling for blood soaked violent revolution is insane. It is also, a) not going to happen but b) could very well draw the attention of the Obama Administration and Homeland Security and wind up putting hotheads behind bars in our paranoid security state" You see, you admit that the fault of any bloodshed would be with the paranoid security state, or Obama administration. Are you really thinking clearly?
Suzanne Carl
June 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Remember the rule.
Anonymous + Nasty = Deleted