We built tools. Tools helped us build machines. We have become cogs in the machine. We are now the tools.

In this conversation with Paul Kingsnorth and Jonathan Pageau they discuss the takeaways from Kingsnorth’s Substack series on The Machine, technology, artificial intelligence and silicon valley, civilization, principalities, the act of creation and desiring to be God, yet also creating the space for our annihilation. They also touch on environmentalism, storytelling, and art, including Tolkien and The Matrix. Enjoy.