Please read my post at the National Catholic Register in which I discuss how the Church should handle the Medjugorje phenomenon. Seriously. The M word. I did.
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July 29, 2011
July 29, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Interesting post. The ruling of the commission is indeed going to cause a problem. Here in Ireland there is a definite schism in the offing. We are hearing too many cries for a national church. There is a lot of "why should Rome tell us what to do" talk. If the Medjugorje Commission rules against the apparitions it will cause us terrible trouble. Huge numbers of Irish Catholics travel there, and it has had a positive impact on so many. A negative ruling would fuel the cause of the anti-Rome brigade so much.
July 29, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I thought for a while that interest in medjugorje was fading like it did with Father Gobbi. I hadn't heard many people talking about it lately, or making pilgrimages there like they used to. But I guess it's still going strong. Dissent is the 1000 foot high red flag on this one. Illicit ordinations, friars impregnating nuns, direct disobedience against two bishops, it's insane. The fact that some of the pilgrims may have had positive experiences there doesn't make up for the total insanity of the situation. (By the way, I predict this comment box will get unpleasant very quickly.)
July 29, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Pat, that's because you're talking nonsense.
July 29, 2011 at 11:17 pm
So is none of that stuff true then?
July 29, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Catholicus is probably rounding up the troops from over at Spirit Daily to ride in and squash any criticism of their wonderful little cult.
You should see the comment box from this story as posted in the National Catholic Register. If those who have ears just don't want to hear, what the heck can you do??
July 30, 2011 at 1:26 am
Explain to me how "conversions" are a significant fruit. For if it be true we would expect conversions because conversions are a fruit signifying authenticity; yet if it be false we would still expect conversions as Jesus frighteningly predicted for our times. On the other hand if it be true we would expect hardly any conversions because the world in general doesn't accept the truth; yet if it be false we would still expect hardly any conversions because the Church in general can't be deceived. So when Jesus told us to look at the fruits, did he consider conversions to be a fruit?
July 30, 2011 at 9:34 am
Dear Pat A.,
The Church's criteria for judging apparition claims put matters of doctrine and obedience at the center, and put the secondary influence of "good fruits" at, well, a secondary place.
If you take the trouble to read one of the critical books — say, Donal Foley's new "Medjugorje Revisited", you'll learn about doctrinal errors in "messages", about outright lies from visionaries, and about the "apparition's" connection with various forms of rebellion.
I used to support Medjugorje in the 1980s, but had to let it go when I learned of these things.
With such bad fruits, no amount of good experiences can outweigh them.
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