I don’t wanna’ get all picky here. But the St. Michael the Archangel prayer. We’ve all gotta’ get on the same page. Is is “Cast” into Hell Satan. Or “Thrust.” I’m not sure, which is better. I don’t want to be schismatic but “cast” sounds a little weak to me. “Thrust” sounds waaaaaaay more forceful. I don’t mind angels getting rough with Satan. No safety word for that guy, amirite?
We’re not sounding unified and unification is the most important thing in the Church right now so let’s get our ducks in a row on this thing. We’re sounding sloppy and we’re giving the angels unclear guidance.
September 25, 2025 at 8:55 am
I think “cast” probably makes more sense in the “spatial” sense, as (to my mind) “casting” something generally implies a movement of one thing away from the thing casting and thus a final separation, whereas “thrust” seems to have more of the sense of the movement of one thing towards something else (such as thrusting a sword into an enemy), leaving ambiguous the final “spatial” relationship. “Cast” also seems to imply rejection as the motivation for the action in this context, whereas thrust seems to be more about the intensity of the action itself.
“Cast” can certainly have very violent connotations:
Let them fall from their devices: according to the multitude of their wickedness cast them out: for they have provoked thee, O Lord. (Psalm 5:11)
O God, thou hast cast us off, and hast destroyed us; thou hast been angry, and hast had mercy on us. (Psalm 59:3)
Thou hast made his purification to cease: and thou hast cast his throne down to the ground. (Psalm 88:45)
And “cast” also fits other relevant and parallel scriptural uses in English:
For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell. (Matthew 5:29)
September 25, 2025 at 9:06 am
In the Latin original the word is “detrude”, which means “thrust”. Simple as.
September 26, 2025 at 5:32 pm
Yes, indeed! “In infernum detrude” means “thrust/push/shove/drive/force down into hell,” not “cast/throw into hell.” “Detrude” is even a cognate of our word “thrust,” from the Old Norse thrysta and the Latin trudere, “to thrust.”
September 25, 2025 at 9:34 am
These are excellent points.
September 25, 2025 at 11:17 am
Cast implies he is not in hell; thrust evokes him trying to crawl out and being prodded back in. My vote goes to thrust.
September 25, 2025 at 12:57 pm
Love the imagery.
October 6, 2025 at 9:00 am
As long as he stays in Hell, I don’t care if he is “thrust”, “cast” or escorted.