I think Gerald Warner at the Telegraph makes an important point about the horrific abuse scandal that has unfolded in Ireland. The headline set the tone.
“Let’s get it straight: Irish child abuse was perpetrated by the trendy, modern post-Vatican II Catholic Church”
Warner decries efforts to link a traditional Bishop, skeptical of “Spirit of Vatican II” reforms, to the abuse scandal.
…The Most Reverend John Charles McQuaid, Archbishop of Dublin (1940-1972) was a great Catholic prelate. Under his pastoral leadership, the numbers of clergy and religious increased by more than 50 per cent, he created over 60 new parishes and built over 80 new churches and 350 schools. But he was a Vatican II sceptic who implemented reform conservatively, in accordance with what would now be called the “hermeneutic of continuity”. So he is a bogey figure to radicals.
Warner goes on the show how the study, rather than impugning the Archbishop, it largely vindicates him. I think it is important and anyone interested should read the entire thing. But Then Warner let’s it out.
Well, who ever did, in the trendy, let-it-all-hang-out 1970s and 1980s? The image that has sedulously been propagated is of Irish child abuse perpetrated by priests in soutanes and birettas, cowled monks muttering Latin incantations and nuns in starched wimples and mediaeval habits.
On the contrary, the nightmare orgy of relentless mortal sin recorded in this report was committed by modern priests, with a strip of white celluloid in place of a Roman collar – if they deigned to wear clerical dress – devastating their church sanctuaries as badly as they devastated childrem’s lives, abolishing all the devotions such as Benediction, the Rosary, regular confession, devotion to saints, etc that had sustained Irish faith for centuries. One priest admitted to abusing over 100 children. For that he was indulged; but if he had celebrated the Latin Tridentine Mass his feet would not have touched the ground.
Then after pointing out the absurd media bias the pretends that the stcitiness of Catholicism and the discipline of a celibate priesthood are to blame, Warner finishes with this.
Let us set the record straight. This filthy abomination was a scandal of the post-Vatican II, open-windows, relevant, touchy-feely (often, it seems, inappropriately so) Catholic Church. So let the ecumaniacs, the liturgical animators, the Easter People take ownership of it and desist from blackening the reputation of a decent prelate and, by implication, of the unchanging Church that sustained Ireland through centuries of oppression.
I don’t pretend to know all the facts in Ireland, but this mirrors my understanding of what happened here. Read the whole thing.
November 28, 2009 at 3:26 pm
It's like all Catholics read the Telegraph, read the article online this morning- note this- the commission went outside its mandate!
November 28, 2009 at 3:38 pm
"Let's get it straight: Irish child abuse was perpetrated by the trendy, modern post-Vatican II Catholic Church"
A church that is also a significant part of the entire Jonestown philosophy of Judeo-Christianity that is represented by heretics, apostates, and traitors
from liberal Episcopalians to Reconstructionist Jews. It is a vast program of moral suicide on a global scale that can only be termed demonic.
November 28, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Having read the report and knowing some of the perpetrators, victims and families of the latter I would point out that this is not the subject to use to score points against the post Vatican II Church. The issue of abuse is ancient. There was an entire congregation wiped out of the Church's history for abuse. John Charles McQuaid is not generally remembered with fondness here and he comes out of this badly, just not as bad as others. The fact was that canon law was not applied and where it was it was to protect the abusers. The shepherds let the wolves in before the Council and it just got worse after that. Instead of protecting the sheep and above all the lambs they looked after their own necks and the wolves had a field day. It's a dark time to be a priest in Ireland but we must put our trust in Christ.
November 28, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I second Br. Tom on this issue being as old as human nature, novo nihil sub sol.
That being said, I do remember that very conservative sects of Judaism have a hard time with this problem as well. Could the more secretive and stricter hierarchical structure of the conservative faiths have something to do with the problem being swept under the carpet? Maybe the shame factor of the sexual sins is more deeply ingrained and therefore seldom is dealt with in the light of day, as it should be.
I grew up in a highly structured, strict parish and attended the Latin Mass there – St. Agnes in St. Paul, MN. There was a nasty sexual abuse among the altar boys there during my time (the Magler Case). A good friend had a relative leave the priesthood way back in the 40's because of the rampant homosexuality that he encountered in his assigned rectories among largely traditional priests. I have also noticed that the priests I know who have difficulties with homosexuality also like the pomp, majesty, and liturgical splendor of the Traditional Mass – with a little too much attention to the "interior design" factor of the ol' "smells and bells." Just anectdotal evidence, of course, but sin is sin in any age, no matter what your rite, creed, era, or Council.
God save us from it. So many of the perps are the victims of years past.
November 28, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I don't think it is the intent of Mr. Warner (nor mine) to "score points" on the spirit of VII types, rather to point out the disingenuous implication by the media and others that this is the product of a stifling, moralizing, pre-conciliar church.
November 28, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Great. Now we have the standard modernists equating Traditional priests with homosexuality in a typical "Hey! Look over there!" tactic. Garbage. Anyone who takes that seriously has swallowed the long-expired Bugnini brand Kool-Aid. Night night.
Back to sanity, I have long said that the "spirit of Vatican II" is what caused the current state of crisis within the church, parrticularly with regard to the abuse scandal. Yes, abuse is ancient and predates Vatican II by over a Millenium. The difference is prior to this century the penalties for abuse by clergy were harsh (but necessary?) and the vigilance/oversight was constant. Up till the 19th century, if a cleric or brother commited such an offense he was relegated to a chaperone at all times for the rest of his life. If you take a look at the records of the Inquisition in the New World (i.e. the Americas) the overwhelming majority of he cases had to do with clerical abuse and their punishments (as opposed to chasing heretics and witches). After Vatican II, the seminaries were emptied. The church literally had to make due with what was left, and often this included miscreants who should never have been admitted.
I do not blame Vatican II for anything, but rather the "spirit of Vatican II" which so many used as an excuse to impose their own agenda on the church. Thank God for our blessed Pope Benedict for correcting the course of a ship gone wayward.
November 29, 2009 at 2:37 am
Just to take one diocese, the Archdiocese of Portland, Oregon, it is pretty clear from the following story that the overwhelming percentage of these priest/abusers were formed and ministered before Vatican II:
November 29, 2009 at 5:10 am
To me the focus shouldn't be about applying canon law, but if these churches really stripped away praying the Benediction, the Rosary, regular confession, the devotion to saints, and so on.
If anyone used Vatican 2 to take away those unique Catholic weapons against sin, then it's not quite as surprising that abuse followed.
November 29, 2009 at 9:03 am
Whether or not abusers were before or after Vactican Two,it is nonetheless down to the Liberal/Left after V2 who tragically left the way to abuse.
Now ordinations are at an all time low,convents are closed,lack of devotion to the real presence,confession not required,it goes on and on
March 6, 2010 at 11:21 pm
There are two crimes here. The first is the abuse. Let's be generous and entirely blame the abusive individuals and the "touchy feely" spirit of VCII… so let's just say that was none of the Church's fault OK?
BUT… what happened to the abusers, the second set of crimes …the protection, the secrecy, the breaches of both criminal and canon law, the blaming and shaming of victims, the sheer self-interested immorality of the response….these are the crimes of the bishops and the popes.
And that has been happening for a long long time. And it continues today.
Bring back Leviticus, I say! Stone the lot of them.