Pope Francis spoke on a plane. You know what that means. It means some crazy stuff got said.
It doesn’t matter what this pope gets asked, he always brings it around to his belief that traditional Catholics are holding us back or are too judgey or something like that. But on the plane this time he might’s gone further:
Pope Francis:
A Church that does not develop its thought in an ecclesial sense is a Church that goes backwards. And this is the problem of so many who call themselves traditional today. They are not traditional, they are “indietrists,” they are going backwards without roots — “That’s the way it has always been done,” “That’s the way it was done in the last century.” Indietrism [looking backward] is sin because it does not go forward with the Church. And instead, someone described tradition — I think I said it in one of the speeches — as the living faith of the dead and instead for these “indietrists,” who call themselves “traditionalists,” it is the dead faith of the living.
Tradition is the root of inspiration to go forward in the Church, always these roots, and “indietrism,” looking backward, is always closed. It is important to understand well the role of tradition, which is always open like the roots of the tree. The tree grows like that, no. A composer had a very beautiful phrase — Gustav Mahler — said that tradition in this sense is the guarantee of the future, it is not a museum piece. If you conceive tradition as closed, this is not Christian tradition. Always it is the root substance that takes you forward forward forward. That’s why what you say above thinking, carrying forward faith and morals, while going in the direction of the roots, of the substance goes well with these three rules I mentioned of Vincent of Lerins.
It certainly seems that Pope Francis just said traditionally minded Catholics are sinful, doesn’t it?
And now, according to this video, Pope Francis just shut down an order of Novus Ordo nuns because they looked too traditional and practice adoration.
This pope is at war with Catholicism as I’ve understood it for years. He’s also toying with the idea of changing the Church teaching on contraception. This would be a disaster.
But this is not about Pope Francis. This is about a leftist takeover of the Church. Let’s be clear, if Pope Francis was gone tomorrow, I don’t think it would make a difference. The Church would continue in this direction no matter what.
We must pray for some supernatural intervention. That is the only thing that can save the Church from its cardinals.
August 1, 2022 at 1:54 pm
From an RCC perspective Francis is right, in that the RCC constantly has epoch changing events where it makes new heresies and proclaims them the new orthodoxy and declares as heretics those who hold the old orthodoxy. That’s why there was a Protestant Reformation. The RCC has no stability, so there is always an event where it conpletely reincents itself and throws the faithful under the bus for a new heresy, whether that heresy be the theology of the lunatic Pope Steven or lunatic Augustine or Vatican I or Vatican II. Remember Vatican I also created repture with entire nations creating “old catholic” churches freezing the papcy at the previous occupant becauae they would not accept papal infallibility which Vatican I made into dogma (So there was a kind of Sedevanticism, but one which doesn’t look for a valid pope to ever arise again).
To look back to before these epoch changing events in the RCC and agree with the older doctrine is indeed heresy in the RCC as Francis says. To look back before Augustine and reject his Manichean predestination scheme is heresy in the RCC. To side wiyh Cyprian against Steven is heresy in the RCC. To side with the Donatists is heresy in the RCC. You Trads and the Donatists now; you lost and best learn your place. That’s what Frankie is daying, and from an RCC perspective he’s right. Don’t like it? Go Protestant.
August 1, 2022 at 2:01 pm
I negelected to mention the magesterial reformation (Luther, Calvin) was because a switch in the RCC from oldschool crazy Augustinianism to Thomism. Really Luther and Calvin were Sedevanticists, nothing more. Only the Anabptists were totally non-catholic prots. Luther and Calvin just wanted Catholicism as it was before Aquinas. So you will be forced to go the same route they went and make your own church. This is what the RCC continually does to her “children.”
August 1, 2022 at 2:17 pm
Why does he always have to give a press conference every time he flies? Why can’t he just sit and read the inflight magazine like everyone else?
August 2, 2022 at 6:48 am
“Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church.” Pope Francis has a lot of sand in his shoes.
August 6, 2022 at 1:17 am
He uses pedestrian language and burps repetitions to emphasize a point, never the tones and diction of a man of God but can pull out a technical term to smear his victims. He is a trained communist before all else.
August 9, 2022 at 2:11 am
Interesting that Pope Francis likes to quote the composer Gustav Mahler. According to the article, Pope Francis stated: “A composer had a very beautiful phrase — Gustav Mahler — said that tradition in this sense is the guarantee of the future, it is not a museum piece.” In my humble opinion, however, Mahler is not the one that one would want to use to justify this “roots of the tree” perception of Tradition (as Pope Francis sees it). All one would need to do is to listen to Mahler’s edition of Beethoven’s Symphony No. 9. This was part of my work for my Doctorate of Musical Arts dissertaion. Mahler’s edition is abominable caricature. The end result of his work was to take this great and timeless work (Beethoven Symphony No. 9), and mutilate it into what presents itself as a grotesque distortion.