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May 2, 2012 at 8:54 am
Except that there are tons of white hispanics–many of them are called Spaniards and Argentinians, and yes, indeed, a great deal of the Mexican population falls into this category as well.
You can be a white Mexican, or a black Mexican, or, like many, a mixture of several different races *gasp*. Race =/= linguistic group.
Also, much of the harsh opposition to immigration (illegal and legal alike) can more accurately be described as Xenophobia and not Racism, because, as mentioned earlier, hispanics can be of several different races… just like Anglophones are made up of every race on the planet.
May 2, 2012 at 9:16 am
Dan, much of the harsh opposition to immigration does not come from xenophobia; it comes from a fear of the loss of our native culture and the crime and poverty that these people bring with them.
May 2, 2012 at 9:27 am
They said that about the Irish a while back too, if I remember correctly.
But my point was more that the word "racism" isn't accurate to use, because it's not strictly about race.
May 2, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Im 45. I had never consider "hispanic" people to be anything but white. Weird huh?
May 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm
But my point was more that the word "racism" isn't accurate to use, because it's not strictly about race.
Yes, because xenophobia is a much less hostile term. It's easier, of course, to simply dismiss the proponents of stricter border enforcement as xenophobes than to actually engage their ideas and listen to the merits of their arguments. Not all of us who want stricter enforcement do so because of fear of dem furriners, but because we actually think the first word in the term "illegal immigration" has actual meaning.
May 2, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Most of the opposition to "immigration" is specifically about illegal immigration. The folks who want to reduce legal immigration until the current population is integrated.
"Xenophobia" isn't the correct word– it requires irrationality. Popular slam, though, especially among those who like conflating opposition to illegal immigration with being "anti immigrant." (It's just so irrational and anti-immigrant to think huge numbers of poorly educated, criminal, special needs and/or apathetic to the notion of organized authority coming into a country, without any sort of controls and with a language gap.)
Of course, the reason the picture is funny is because so many of the sort of folks who like throwing around terms like "xenophobia" also like to accuse those who notice most illegals are from Mexico of "racism." Zimmerman, if he had a name that was obviously Hispanic, wouldn't have been labeled as "white" anything by the NYT. (Full history is that he was initially just called "white," probably by Martin's family or lawyer. That's where most of the BS misinformation has come from.)
May 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Argh, dropped the second half of the second sentence: "aren't exactly thick on the ground."
May 2, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I'm not against legal immigration. Even lots of it. In fact, I LOVE African immigrants because they completely destroy progressivist narratives of institutional racism and white priviledge.
May 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm
My wife is an immigrant, from Belgium. She has not yet been naturalized, so she is a … *legal* alien. That's what I call her; that's what she calls herself.
In high school, one of my best friends (and he has remained so) was a Mexican exchange student. He married a local girl and lives and works here in the US.
Not so long ago (4 generations ago) my ancestors moved to Louisiana from France.
So, I'm pre-disposed in a positive way toward immigration. What I'm against is *illegal* immigration. There is a process. It's not fun, but it's manageable.
May 6, 2012 at 3:28 am
The native cultures in the parts of America most affected by illegal immigration are already Mexican—where they aren't purely Indian. There are Mexican families in Tucson who've been there since the Spanish Crown had the authority to grant them the land.
Nevertheless, immigration laws must be enforced. Even if there weren't large scale human trafficking and drug smuggling on the borders, trespassing is a crime for a damn reason. And between nations, it can represent an act of war.