Irony is abortionists worrying about where the next generation of abortionists is going to come from. You can’t make this stuff up.
One mainstream media organization is saying abortionists are getting old and when the old generation retires who’s going to be around to kill the next generation? Salon Magazine is concerned. Me? Not so much. In fact, I’m kind of pleased. Not that I don’t think some shell of a human with a medical degree will step up since there’s bucks to be made but it’s good to see they’re having difficulty replacing abortionists.
Salon.com reports:
Carolyn is part of the next generation of abortion providers many people are wondering and worrying about in the aftermath of Dr. George Tiller’s murder by an anti-choice zealot and the subsequent closing of Tiller’s Women’s Health Care Center. Already, 87 percent of counties in the U.S., and 98 percent of rural counties, have no abortion services. Nearly two-thirds of second-trimester abortion providers are over 50 years old and bound to retire sooner rather than later. And, as a recent PBS NOW special highlighted, the number of overall abortion providers has dropped by one-third in recent years: From 2,680 in 1985 to 1,787 in 2005.
Of course Salon.com says this is because of anti-abortion “terrorism” like the murder of Dr. Tiller last week. But I’m pretty sure this drop off didn’t start last Sunday. And what this actually shows is that societal pressures are working.
Still, the reasons why schools don’t provide comprehensive family planning education go beyond simple time-management issues. For one thing, the same relentless pressure from the anti-choice movement that plagues practicing abortion providers is also directed at medical schools. Susan Wicklund, a Montana OB-GYN and author of “This Common Secret: My Journey as an Abortion Doctor,” says, “I’ve witnessed pressure by antiabortion groups on administrators and professors in medical schools not to discuss abortion. There’s the threat of being picketed or boycotted at the school itself if they do any teaching of abortion.” Says Creinin, “For anything that creates controversy, it’s easy for a med school to say, ‘Look, it’s not worth it.'”
So that’s the good news. The bad news is that abortion is a multi-million dollar industry and as long as they’re paying, some shell of a human with an online medical degree will step up and agree to rip babies limb from limb for money.
And when these hacks hurt women with botched abortions Salon.com, I’m sure, will blame you. That’s right. You for stigmatizing abortion and making it so difficult to fill those spots.
June 16, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Thanks to the assassination of George Tiller, I have become a believer in late-term abortion.
Of course you did, dear.
June 16, 2009 at 8:27 pm
If my mother, aprised that my post-viability abortion was medically indicated, had carried me to birth she would not proven her love for me. As a fetus, I would not wanted to be born.
Actually, you probably would have. We've all got disabilities of one sort or another, mental or physical, mild or serious, and not many of us wants to die. People adjust. A great deal of life is simply about learning to deal with whatever hand we've been dealt.
Generally, it's not disabled people who want to die, but healthy people who project that wish onto them.
June 16, 2009 at 9:18 pm
It would prove her love for you, not your love of life. This is your error.
June 17, 2009 at 2:59 pm
As a fetus, I would not wanted to be born.
I find this comment to be interesting, and to the gist of the argument of being pro-life. No one chooses life, we have no control of the situation not only within our mother's womb, but pretty much our lives we are controlled by others. We're born dependent and rely on others for survival. An when we do become independent we become ultimately responsible for ourselves, which means making obligations to other for independence. Even if one doesn't not have dependents themselves, one must gain employment for their independence. The obligate themselves to some sort of labor or service, mostly likely as a 'cubicle slave', in which the government takes precedence and removes taxes from your paycheck.
Choice is an illusion, especially when you hear of story regarding abortion from women who had one, or even two.
http://www.unfairchoice.info/coerced.htm
"why it matters
Coercion often comes from all sides, personally and professionally … especially and ironically in many of the "helping" professions. It may also involve a family, friends or even an employer who push for abortion, practice emotional, physical, practical or financial blackmail, or otherwise withhold essential support at the very time when a woman most needs honest answers and a helping hand.Abortion endangers teens and all women who are now at risk of coercion, which can escalate to violence.Women have been subjected to unthinkable abuses, torture and even death for resisting an unwanted abortion. Homicide is the leading killer of pregnant women. Women and others hurt by abortion are often at a loss for words to describe the experience. Words that do come up often are "silenced," "nightmare," "humiliating," "degraded," "dismissed," "herded like cattle," "part of me died," and, ironically, "I was never given a choice.""
Plenty of stats within the link
We're pro-life because we understand that within human nature independent life can not exist unless we understand that life only exists due to value of dependency not just a life of the unborn child within a mother's womb, but society obligation to protect and support the mother through traditional support of family.
To Vigilante to this person the value of life is a joke, s/he doesn't care not what happens to others nor wants to understand the meaning of life, with is very disheartening. It's disturbing this is how a person gets his jollies.
June 17, 2009 at 3:43 pm
This exchange has been rewarding for me. I mischaracterized assembled company as a 'choir': all of you are independently thoughtful and expressive, in addition to being passionate. I just don't agree with you.
I think prospective mothers do not lightly choose a late-term abortions. Post-viability abortions have to be medically indicated. And I do not agree that termination of the unborn amounts to killing.
I have never ventured into this issue before, and I am not getting my jollies. I am just enraged by the unlawful and unwarranted murder of Dr. Tiller.
June 17, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Ane because Tiller has been murdered, it is your argument that babies should go on being murdered. As I said, argument is not your forte.
June 17, 2009 at 4:11 pm
"And I do not agree that termination of the unborn amounts to killing."
Then what, exactly, is it?
If you cannot answer that, yours is simply a opinion which is not supported by anything, other than your own preference. You may be entitled to that, but I thank God that you were never my mother, for that reason alone.
For all its trials and tribulations, I am glad to have life.
June 18, 2009 at 1:35 am
To supply abortion providers, the industry will have to convince med students that the procedure is not evil or wicked. That is one value produced by those demonstrating and praying at abortuaries. That is why the abortionist freak out when they are pointed out as murderers.
June 19, 2009 at 3:22 am
Vigilante, the idea that you have become a believer in late term abortions because a late term abortionist was murdered makes no sense.
Simply put, what that would mean is that anyone who was murdered because of what they did for a living should be advocated, whether or not you agreed with what they did during their life. That would be like saying that if someone murdered a serial killer because of what they did, you would become a big believer in serial killing.
Regardless of the fact that George Tiller was murdered, he was doing a bad thing. The pro life cause does NOT advocate his death, and many of us grieve for it.
I'm still trying to understand what about him getting murdered strengthens his cause in any way, shape, or form.
June 19, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Pro-Fetus Choir:
Life begins at birth. It's called 'birthing'. You cannot murder something which has not been born.
Tiller killed no one. Tiller was killed for practicing medicine. Tiller was killed because medical science offends some religious kooks. You are wrong to consider the practice of medicine as infanticide. This is an example of infanticide. You really need to put some one on paid salary on this site to straighten out your thinking.
June 19, 2009 at 3:19 pm
It's amazing that you actually believe only religious kooks are pro-life. There are MANY people who are not in any way religious that still believe that abortion is murder. And through simple science you can prove it. Fetus's grow and take in nourishment and produce waste. That alone proves there is life. You can try to argue that they aren't a PERSON yet, though it's a stupid argument, but you can't argue they're not alive. It is living tissue, that can't be disputed, science has proven it.
June 19, 2009 at 5:05 pm
The reality: When abortions become illegal, or when medical practitioners refuse to perform the procedure, it will go to the back alley butchers and thousands of women will die of infections, massive bleeding and other conditions too horrible to describe.
The idea that a tiny cell, as yet unformed, is a viable human life is nonsense. It is born out of a perverse religious belief that defines human life not based on science but on religious mythology.
From a personal standpoint I find abortion to be evil, but, sadly a necessary evil in a world that is becoming more theocratic each day, whether it be the Muslims, or the Christians. A woman should have the right to make the choice, within the boundaries of the law, as to whether or not to keep the cluster of cells growing in her body or whether or not to terminate the growing process. Keep God and the attendant mythologies that surround him out of government and personal choice.
June 19, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Ah…. a glimmer of light!
June 19, 2009 at 10:32 pm
My wife and I adopted an orphan baby girl from China and since that time I have been confronted with a situational paradox with a large number of Christians.
It goes without saying that the good church folk I have been around are almost entirely "pro-life". In that they will get all teary eyed over the idea of fetuses in the womb being killed. This is all well and good and like MadMike said I personally find the idea of abortion to be evil but what troubles me with the behavior of anti-abortionists is that with a few exceptions this pro-life concern with the care and welfare of babies immediately ends once they are born.
If a "rescued" child happens to be poor and/or a minority what was once a concern about life now is an irritation, at best, over how much it will take to help feed, educate, and provide health care of that child.
Even someone as pro-life as Mike Huckabee has stated that: To Huckabee’s credit, his pro-life stance, one major component of social conservatism, is all-embracing. He prefers to see “pro-life” within the context of one’s entire life span, not simply from conception to birth. Thus, his pro-life stance includes, in his words, “quality education, first-rate healthcare, decent housing in a safe neighborhood, and clean air and drinking water.”
So my point is this, get more of your side to start caring about kids beyond the womb and I'll start see you all less as hypocrites. Because its real funny to show my beautiful daughter off to some good Christian and have that person look at me strangely and ask why my wife what prevents my wife and I from having one of our own.
June 19, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I find it curious when people accuse pro-lifers of not caring for the child once it is born. In particular, I wonder where they get their proof. I'm inclined to believe they don't have any. In fact, just making the accusation here, with nary a shred of evidence, appears to be enough for them, which would make THEM the hypocrites.
An unborn child is a human life. It has never been demonstrated to be anything else. To end its life, is to end a human life. That such a life is innocent is what makes it murder. Whatever is or is not done about the issue, we start with that which is irrefutable, and move on from there.
After all, it doesn't matter how concerned you are over a child's life, once he no longer has one.
June 20, 2009 at 1:31 am
An unborn fetus represents a potential child; s/he doesn't cross the threshold into life until permitted by the prospective mother.
June 20, 2009 at 2:13 am
Very well. Define "potential" as opposed to "actual." Consider in your answer that a child can be born three to four months prematurely. Is the child more human because of this? Would the child be any less human had it stayed in the womb? If the child is forced out of the womb and has its skull crushed by a surgeon's instrument, is that not murder because the mother sanctioned it?
June 20, 2009 at 2:32 am
When a fetus is birthed three or four months early, s/he becomes a child.
June 20, 2009 at 3:02 am
"When a fetus is birthed three or four months early, s/he becomes a child."
And you have science to support this? What of the child forced out to be put to death? Was that only potential life, or did it require its mother's sanction?
Your position, by your own admission, begs this question.
June 20, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Google pro-life atheists. It ain't just a religious thang. That one can kill based on location. (Outiside the womb, hands off; inside the womb, anything goes) is completely arbitrary. We are talking about a human being. The best that the pro-abortion position can do is argue ambiguity. But that being the case, they lose under the Deerhunter Principle: it is immoral to fire into rustling bushes when you don't know what it is you are firing at.