So we all know how “Catholic” Womynpriests are being “ordained” all the time. And it always gets more coverage than actual ordinations. But they’re never (thankfully) allowed to hold the ordination ceremony in a Catholic Church so they always have it somewhere else.
Now that would be fine if it were happening in the basement of a Denny’s or at the VFW fire hall but there’s always some religious institution that’s willing to lend some semblance of credence to these wacky womynpriests.
Most recently, according to Diogenes:
Chicago’s ABC News affiliate ran a story on last Saturday’s makeover of a local woman into a Catholic “priest.” The reporters don’t quite get the facts right, but they do convey the idea that the Vatican — i.e., Catholic officialdom in some sense — does not regard the ceremony as a valid ordination or the recently-oiled woman as a real priest. Ludicrously, they portray the affair as quasi-clandestine and the women as part of an “underground” priesthood. In reality, neither ministers nor congregants have anything to fear (beyond the spiritual harms of the schism they went out of their way to effect). In concrete legal terms, a man garbed as Mickey Mouse for a children’s party without official Disney licensing is more at risk than a woman who proclaims herself a Catholic priest.
I remember reading another story in the past year or so about a similar ceremony taking place in a synagogue but this particular ceremony took place at a Lutheran Church.
So essentially what happened last Saturday was an excommunication of a Catholic woman was celebrated at a Lutheran Church. So much for ecumenism, huh? I mean, this Lutheran Church is essentially slapping the Catholic Church upside the head and doing the “I just slapped you upside the head and there’s nothing you can do about it” dance. And that dance, like the Lambada, is now forbidden by CMR.
I know they’re not going to listen so I say we start doing the same. Look, the Church has been dealing with this for years in that patient way they have. But we here at CMR aren’t so patient. You wanna play hardball we’ll bring the bat. We’re about to go Bill Donahue x 2 on you. You get up in our business? We’ll be up in your kitchen when you come home.
CMR is going to use up our entire “emergency bail money” account and dip into our “someday we’re going to buy the Elephant Man’s bones” fund to open up a hall to be solely used for the ordination of people in denominations that we have no authority over whatsoever.
If you’re a drunken Scientologist, fine. A Jew for Jesus? A shoplifting Unitarian? We’re cool with that. I’m not sure what an Episcopalian would have to do to warrant not being allowed to be an actual Episcopalian minister but if there’s anything they still call a sin, I’ve got the room for the ordination. You know what? We’ll ordain Glenn freakin’ Beck in absentia into your denomination just for giggles.
No matter what, we’ll make up the room all nice. Rainbow decorations (if that’s what you’re into). We’ll serve pigs in a blanket with Appletinis afterward. I also happen to know a little known 80’s cover band that’ll play just to fill up their now empty “emergency bail money” account.
See how they like it.
October 16, 2009 at 10:13 am
Oh freakin' snap! Can I get in on a piece of the action? I even have a little bail money squirreled away for a rainy day just like this one.
Im not braggin' Brothers Archebold, but my southern Italian Roman Catholic Roots are just looking for a "Come to Jesus" moment if "people" don't get out of our business.
Hey by the way, I got an uncle in Bergen County NJ that says you can offer them the use of his hall anytime (except Sat nite!) Bada bing!
October 16, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Oo! Oo! I wanna come! I wanna come!
As a woman, I just don't get it. Seriously? A priest? Why?
October 16, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I'm not sure what an Episcopalian would have to do to warrant not being allowed to be an actual Episcopalian minister but if there's anything they still call a sin, I've got the room for the ordination.
Well, ain't it obvious, just ordain a non-tolerant and orthodox person!
October 16, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Christina,
Right! You nailed it. But what do orthodox episcopalians believe?
October 16, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Where do I send my check?
October 16, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Is everyone now hip to the fact that ecumenism always means perverting our faith while the other side congratulates us (and then laughs at us behind our back)?
And let's bring this freak show out of the Denny's basement and up to the dining area. I would love to heckle it over my Grand Slam.
October 16, 2009 at 3:09 pm
If you're going to throw food at us, at least make it bacon please.
October 16, 2009 at 3:15 pm
As a former ELCA Lutheran, I'm going to extend ALOT of good faith and assume that this congregation is a loose cannon and not approved by the ELCA as a whole. To that end, I have written a polite but firm letter to the ELCA presiding bishop asking him to condemn him. Here is his contact info if anyone else would like it:
Rev. Mark S. Hanson
Office of the Presiding Bishop
8765 W Higgins Rd
Chicago, IL 60631-4197
773-380-2600
E-mail: bishop@elca.org
October 16, 2009 at 3:16 pm
"I have written a polite but firm letter to the ELCA presiding bishop asking him to condemn him"
Should read: "I have written a polite but firm letter to the ELCA presiding bishop asking him to condemn this."
October 16, 2009 at 5:13 pm
"I'm not sure what an Episcopalian would have to do to warrant not being allowed to be an actual Episcopalian minister but if there's anything they still call a sin…"
LOL. Oh snap indeed…
Thanks for the great rant.
October 16, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Excommunications of Catholics taking place in a Lutheran Church? How about in a Catholic Church. I'm thinking something along these lines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNKVpaS3Lk8
October 16, 2009 at 8:15 pm
You're a good man, Scott.
Side note: I once knew of an Episcopalian priest who went to his superiors and told them "I'm an atheist now, I quit."
There response? "Hey, that's okay! As long as you're willing to dialogue with people about God, that's good enough!"
Sad but true.
October 16, 2009 at 9:07 pm
I'd be reluctant to tie the actions of particular Lutheran churches to the whole, as Scott pointed out. The RCC has trouble keeping it's people in line; imagine how hard it must be without formal authority/hierarchy. 😉
And anyways, while I did find this amusing, we are and should be (and should continue to be) "the bigger person" in ecumenism. Remember how the father admonished the older brother about the prodigal son?
-ambrose
October 16, 2009 at 10:30 pm
But what do orthodox episcopalians believe?
Heterodoxy, of course!
They're caught in the vortex of vacuity.
October 17, 2009 at 2:32 pm
The RCC has trouble keeping it's people in line; imagine how hard it must be without formal authority/hierarchy. 😉
Good point. Let me add that I think the ELCA leadership needs to address this, which is why I am harping on it and urging people to contact them. See, this represents a major and grave breakdown in inter-faith discussion, so we must ask them, is this congregation a loose cannon, or is this either tacitly or explicitly an official policy? If it isn't, fine, we'll slug on together the best we can. If it IS, it's an act of war pure and simple, and that means everyone needs to rethink their policies regarding ecumenism, sheep-stealing etc.
But what do orthodox episcopalians believe?
Many are probably already aware, but if not, the ECUSA and the ELCA are joined at the hip. They not only have inter-communion, they can even share pastors. And of course, the ELCA recently voted the way of the ECUSA about homosexual pastors. In other words, the prospects are not great for my "loose-cannon" theory. What is holding it together is that even heavily progressive churches believe in ecumenism and would be loathe to abandon it wholesale, even if they had a cynical, Machiavellian view of it.
In short, neither we nor the ELCA can ignore this. The ELCA needs to tell us if they approve of this church's actions or not. Much rides on their answer.
October 18, 2009 at 1:16 pm
The ELCA has bigger issues to deal with. When they met in Minneapolis to decide "whether practicing homosexuality is a behavior that should disqualify a person from the pastoral ministry," a tornado blew through the city about the same time.
Here's a link to the story:
http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/1965_the_tornado_the_lutherans_and_homosexuality/
All I can say is "WOW"
October 18, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Awesome! I want to be the first man ordained a priestess in a church…any chuch. Thanks for the 'investment'!
October 19, 2009 at 1:50 pm
DMac can sing in the band!
October 19, 2009 at 3:32 pm
I'll be sure to bring my list of top 200 most requested songs for events like this (from http://www.discjockeys.com/top_200.php) :
1 AC/DC You Shook Me All Night Long
2 Timberlake,Justin Sexyback
3 Def Leppard Pour Some Sugar On Me
4 Morrison, Van Brown Eyed Girl
5 B-52's Love Shack
6 Lynyrd Skynyrd Sweet Home Alabama
7 Bon Jovi Livin' On A Prayer
8 ABBA Dancing Queen
9 Journey Don't Stop Believin'
10 Diamond, Neil Sweet Caroline
11 Rihanna Don't Stop The Music
12 Sir Mix-A-Lot Baby Got Back
October 27, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Priestesses won't phase them in the least. Go one better. Get a Golden Retriever (it'll look maaahhhhvelous in black with a clerical collar, then take the Lutheran ordination book and ordain the poochie by the proper formula.
But so you don't smear the wrong denomination you have to figure out if the one that hosted the priestess was Lutheran Reformed Missouri Synod of 1897 or whatever. 😛