“Sunday’s Coming” Movie Trailer from North Point Media on Vimeo.
Not much to add. These guys nailed it.
“Sunday’s Coming” Movie Trailer from North Point Media on Vimeo.
Not much to add. These guys nailed it.
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May 14, 2010 at 4:42 am
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May 14, 2010 at 4:45 am
In what way am I watering down or attempting to water down the faith?
I question yr desire that these "heretics" come to believe that the Catholic Church contains the fullness of truth. Seems you only want to be more right than they. Isn't the whole point of the faith bringing people to heaven thru Christ and His Church?
May 14, 2010 at 5:14 am
Joshua – you are watering down the faith by not acknowledging that these heretics are indeed heretics. They follow heresy. If you cannot tell them they are in error, then that is your problem.
I fully wish that ALL heretics would renounce their heresy (outside AND within the church). I pray nightly for the Unity of Christ's church. So, your question is really irrelevant.
May 14, 2010 at 5:26 am
Early Riser, I acknowledge Protestants are in error theologically, but shouting "YOU'RE WRONG!" at the top of yr lungs in their faces is not the way to show them their error. Acts of love and reasonable explanation win far more hearts than angry polemics.
I hope that God answers our prayers for unity and that the population of the whole world willingly chooses the Catholic Church he founded for our salvation.
May 14, 2010 at 12:17 pm
….and an 'e-comment argument' ensues…
May 14, 2010 at 12:59 pm
All these self-righteous, sanctimonious, pharisaical comments make me soooooo glad I am NOT a prisoner of Rome.
May 14, 2010 at 1:02 pm
And just so you cat-licks know, we Protestants experience the fullness of God. We have everything that HE wants us to have. I am sorry that your God is so small that He can only channel His blessings through your church. Arrogant pharisees.
May 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Anonymous 8:02 (and I assume, 7:59:-),
Sorry that it has come across that way. I am a recent convert to Catholicism, and I must admit that this is not the totality of what is found there. I was thinking this morning that the comments on this particular post were a little…arrogant. Your last pronoucement, though, is exactly the same as the ones with which you take exception, so I don't know if that's exactly what you want or not.
May 14, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Really? Read your Bible. This reminds me so much of the Pharisees who condemned Jesus for eating with sinners and talking to Samaritans, yet He referred to them as white-washed tombs full of dead men's bones. I've had this debate planty of times with catholics. They say I can't possibly have the fullness of God because I don't belong to the mother church. Can't you see how that limits God? God is all-powerful. There is nothing He cannot do. He is sovereign and in control of all things. If I come across as harsh it is beacuse I am fed-up with being treated by catholics the same way the pharisees treated the Samaritans. I am willing to fellowship with anyone who names the name of Jesus until they begin to tell me I don't have the fullness of God because I don't belong to this church, or because I didn't speak in tongues, or because I wasn't baptised the right way. That's just foolish. God is stronger than all of that. Stop putting Him in this little gilded box.
May 14, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Wow – that sounds like some of my experience. I hear lots of anger, and I can't say that I blame you; I just don't have that, at this time. I also don't think that I have all of the answers or, for that matter, that anyone does. And I'm not picking that up from the Catholic Church. I'm having a conversation currently with someone who is a professor at a reformed seminary about the whole reason he doesn't want to be Catholic, even though there are many things about the Church that he loves.
And I grew up Baptist and went to a fundamentalist college, so, um….I've read the Bible:-).
May 14, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Also, that doesn't exclude the fact that I believe that the Catholic church is the true church that Jesus founded. But I'm not angry about it, and I don't believe that we are the only ones who will land in heaven.
I've done the charismatc thing, too. I do know what you are talking about.
May 14, 2010 at 3:20 pm
As with many such discussions we can easily lose track of the "real issue". The "real issue" is Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus that we are saved (Eph 2:1-10). The church, Protestant or Catholic does not save us, God's mercy and grace through Jesus Christ saves us. Hopefully this parody highlights this fact. It is not about what we do, it is about what He has done for us. For those of us He has saved, we are called to accomplish His work and to grow in Him. Whether we feel we are called to do that work through the Catholic church or through the Protestant church really doesn't matter. We are brothers and sisters in Christ, not brothers and sisters in the church. I would love to have a theological discussion but the focus is on Christ and the unity we have in Him!!!
May 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
That was a great parody of a Christopher West Theology of the Body presentation!
Oh, it was Protestants mocking Protestants.
Same difference.
May 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Forgot my *wink* to my last comment.
😉
May 15, 2010 at 3:31 am
I just wanted to chime in on the comment that some of us protestants do experience God's grace and presence, too. We're called "reformed." We read Luther and also agree with you that the "church" shown in the video is anything but. Still, even if they are heretical teachings, it's important to be charitable and not give up on giving them the real Gospel when the time is right. I appreciate that many here have said as much.
May 15, 2010 at 3:33 am
Oh, and there is a protestant blog called "Slice of Laodicea" which has frequently noted the liberal inclusivism of modern "churches" like this one. They were one of the first to bring Rob Bell's false theology to main street.
May 15, 2010 at 4:27 am
Joshua, I'm with you, Bro. I appreciate your sensitive to our separated brothers and sisters in Christ. Protestants are living in error but I agree that we Catholics shouldn't use an "in your face" attitude in speaking about Protestants. Many Protestants are not anti-Catholic. Many of them are living a deep faith life in Christ.
May 15, 2010 at 8:04 am
My man anonymous, 11 & 10 posts back, I'd love to have a conversation with you about the "limiting God" idea. I know you've had many conversations with Catholics about it before, but if yer willing to talk, I'll hit you wit my e-mail address.
My man anonymous, 6 posts back, Jesus is inseparable from the Church: "… on this rock I will build my Church." (Mt. 16:18) The Church is also repeatedly referred to in the New Testament as "the body of Christ." Christ is, in a sense, the Church. Also, if it doesn't matter what Christian denomination one is part of, does it really matter what religion you're part of?
May 15, 2010 at 8:52 am
Lucifer will speak a thousand truths to you, if only to get you to believe one lie.
Remember that,
OriamendiMexico
May 15, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I just found CMR, and passed on this hilarious video to my sister (who both worships at and works for a megachurch… and she'll laugh). I'm saddened by the comments, partly because my own church (The Church of Christ, an outgrowth of the "restoration" movement of the 1800s) also has folks who claim to be the only true Christians. (And their arguments, especially as regards the examples of sola scriptura and adult baptism by immersion, are just as strong as yours, but just assume different premises.) I did a little time in parochial school, and did my graduate work in medieval history, so I have always told my brethren who see you folks as the heretics that if they just knew you better, we'd be in a lot closer fellowship. Let me make the same suggestion your direction, as well. Obviously, heresy exists. There are essentials of salvation, and sadly, we don't even all agree with what the essentials are, even when we agree that we have freedom in Christ on the non-essentials. The "Universal" Church, or Christendom, or whatever name you want to call the body that God chooses to save through His grace and the blood of Christ, may never be in full and perfect fellowship this side of heaven. But my prayer is that all of us who are disciples will extend what fellowship we can to each other, especially in this world where the forces of darkness are so strong. Anyway, I have bookmarked the blog, and look forward to making your acquaintance. I hope you find me to be a friendly heretic.