“Sunday’s Coming” Movie Trailer from North Point Media on Vimeo.
Not much to add. These guys nailed it.
May 13, 2010
May 16, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Have any of you Catholics been to the March for Life Youth Mass and Rally? Excepting that this hilarious video doesn't include an actual mass, it is pretty much identical. It disturbs me that the comments to this video have become so arrogant. This comment especially disturbs me: "Our youth Masses and the New Mass are just too protestant due to modernism."
You can argue with Protestants about the origins of the church and about Scripture and Tradition, but attacking their music and worship methods really pushes it. Perhaps none of you have been to a service like this (yes, Catholic services like this do exist), but they are extremely uplifting and unifying. This kind of worship can really awaken the soul, and I think is especially good for those who have felt their spiritual life falling apart. I am indeed a lover of the traditional mass and traditional music, but it is certainly wonderful to hear the new stuff every once in a while.
So although I do find this parody very funny, I don't think it should be considered an opportunity to trash this kind of worship. Just because it's not your taste or just because it's similar to Protestant worship doesn't make it wrong.
May 17, 2010 at 4:10 am
This is not about personal taste.It is about Tradition and Holy reverence with Sacred music.
Worship at the Holy Mass has no place for modern music.
Please watch this video and the others offered if you are interested in the restoration of The
May 17, 2010 at 8:22 am
just because it's similar to Protestant worship doesn't make it wrong.
May 17, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Sal – let's put this into perspective: the Didache PREDATES the canonical bible you use today. The bible itself was not canonised until the 4th century. It was the CATHOLIC church which decided at that council which books to add, and which to exclude (i.e. the gnostic and heretical writings you refer to). Now, HOW do you think the church came up with this compilation? TRADITION! It was church tradition which decided which books were valid. So, it the same group that put the bible together decide the Didache was also valid (which they did), then logic would dictate you accept it as valid as well.
BTW, the deuterocanonicals (so-called "apocrypha" your errant verbiage) were in use until the Protestant church decided to rip them out in the 16th century. If you prefer "bible-lite" then that is your decision.
May 17, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Believe it or not, Riser, I'm on your side. (Although the canon that was eventually accepted by the 4th century was written in the mid-first, and in addition to tradition, the identity of the author was important, too. But I know you know that.) Also, I'm sorry if my verbiage was "errant." No offense was intended to you or the texts. You've caught me at a weird time, intellectually speaking. I'm right in the middle of some reading on the philosophical underpinnings of the "restoration movement" which gave rise to the Churches of Christ and Disciples of Christ. One of those was something called "Baconianism," or Scottish Common-Sense Realism. At the heart of this idea is the notion that we are all capable of reading a text (like the Bible) with an uncluttered mind and drawing the exact same logical conclusions. It was based upon this flawed premise that people like Alexander Campbell claimed that everyone who didn't reach the exact same conclusions they did about scripture were unsaved (while paying no heed to the fact that their own "common sense" and "simply logical" interpretation was also based on a foundation of enlightenment thought). All I'm saying is that there are many faith traditions within Christendom which are intellectually consistent if you accept their premises (there are also those which are inconsistent, or whose premises are easily falsifiable). I'm not trying to convert you. If I accepted your premises, I would be Catholic (and I'd be a really good one, certainly not of the "cafeteria" variety. Possibly even old Latin mass). Just trying to point out that there are educated, bright, God-loving people out there who manage to reach different conclusions from the same starting point, without intentionally denying or distorting obvious truths. As for me, if I had to only fellowship people who shared my theology 100%, I'd be a church of one. Thank God for grace! In the end, I'll depend upon the blood of Jesus to cover my unintentional errors, while making every effort to be as right as I can. I figure that I'll be in the same boat as plenty of Catholics, C.S. Lewis, Anselm, Aquinas, maybe even an evangelical megachurch member or two. Pax!
May 17, 2010 at 7:17 pm
On a completely related note: I just went to my FIRST megachurch today (I'm visiting Eden Prairie, MN). I was there for a completely unrelated event (they rent it out for conferences…it's that big). Being inside was like a big mall; they had all the food vendors you'd think about in a regular food-court (and cash registers everywhere). They even had "little church" rooms for smaller breakouts. AND they have 2 daycares going today; the tiny-tots and kids up to 12. So, even on a Monday, the place is jumping (and raking it in I dare say).
May 18, 2010 at 2:14 am
Anon., May 16, 5:16 writes: "Perhaps none of you have been to a service like this (yes, Catholic services like this do exist), but they are extremely uplifting and unifying."
Umm…no, they're not.
I speak as a refugee from this sort of thing. These services, and approaches to "worship," are soul-deadening. They distract from the true purpose of worship–to lift our souls up from the mire of the world and put them in touch with the timeless beauty of God. In fact, they force us down deeper into that muck. They offer us cheap, uninspired versions of music that was worldly and rebellious by its very conception.
And they barely conceal the commercialism that lies at their core.
Here's a good question to ask oneself: would a 2nd c. Christian be more at home in a Latin mass, or a Contemporary Worship service? Would a 2nd c. Christian even recognize the antics of a CW service as Christian, let alone worship?
I think not.
And for a religion that claims to put Man in touch with a timeless God, that's very problematic, to put it as kindly as I can.
This stuff is toxic, and while it may not be useful to ecumenism to poke fun at people (and I grant that Early Riser is often abrasive and rude, even when he–or perhaps she–is making valid points), it is very…well, *healing* to those of us who've suffered through this sort of thing, to see it parodied so neatly. Healing, and hopeful: maybe this mockery can pierce the self-important chronolatry that produces CW, and consign it to the dustbin of history where it belongs.
Let me put it even more bluntly: this sort of thing is part of what has pushed me to become Catholic, in desperate rejection of its irreverence, its worldliness, its relentless self-absorption.
So Matthew: thanks for posting it. 🙂
May 18, 2010 at 2:41 am
May 19, 2010 at 2:49 pm
LIKE I said Early Riser…I was thinking about becoming Catholic, but THANK YOU for showing me that I would only be surrounded by a
bunch of disrespectful, unloving, self-righteous, holier-than-thou-because-I-know-more-than-thou pricks. With all that knowledge, you still don't get the point….
May 19, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Anon, you might consider that the Evangelicals who have posted here have shown disrespect for the Mass. How can they argue that we should keep the gloves on when it comes to their faith?
May 19, 2010 at 6:39 pm
I've said for years that church worship had become nothing more than the simplest form of Pavlov/BF Skinner behavioristic shaping. Play this song as a stimulus, have "feelings" of worship as a response. Get everyone "in the Spirit" with that tug on your heart strings music and if it isn't working, just play it longer and with strings, or maybe add a flute.
It is good to see others are catching on.
The solution is to define worship properly as separated from praise. Best illustration I can think of from my male perspective is a NASCAR racing engine. It makes a certain sound when all of its parts are being used as designed and intended. Not only does it make a certain sound but admirers who understand the sound who hear it also make a sound. That "whoaa" sound or "ohhhhh" sound other NASCAR folks make when they hear that engine roar go by.
That is worship. It is the sound that comes from the Body of Christ when all parts are working as gifted and intended and the sound others make who see that in real time. Worship is not praise. Worship does not happen JUST by folks being entertained by experts in front while "worshipers" sit in their seats or even stand with arms raised.
May 19, 2010 at 6:40 pm
"pushed me to become Catholic"
Sad that theology and the truth was not part of your decision making process.
May 26, 2010 at 1:56 am
The reason catholic priest wear those big robes its easier to hide alar boys under there
June 3, 2010 at 4:04 pm
There is a great section in the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the first mark of the Church, the Church is one. Here are two paragraphs that I think are relevant for the conversation that has taken place:
818 One cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.
819 Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements. Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."
If you want to read more, visit: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
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