Gee, this playbook sounds awfully familiar.
And guess what issue they think is the most living and breathing and apt to change? C’mon, guess. Yup. Gay sex. Wow. These guys are sure obsessed with this issue, huh? All I’m saying is that if I were hanging out with these guys, I wouldn’t leave my drink unattended. You do what you want but I’m taking my drink with me to the bathroom. In fact, I may not go to the bathroom at all.
Just to be clear, when Jesus was asked about marriage, He was pretty clear.
Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him,* saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?”
He said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.”
That’s pretty clear. When asked about marriage he said it’s man and wife and that the Creator made them male and female.
This is something Jesus said, according to scripture. Now, if you’re of the mindset you can argue that either Jesus was wrong or the scripture misquoted Him.
In either case, you transform Catholicism into whatever you want it to be at any given moment.
German Cardinal Reinhard Marx said in an interview published on Thursday that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is “not set in stone” and “one is also allowed to doubt what it says.”
The cardinal made the comments in a seven-page spread in the March 31 edition of the weekly current affairs magazine Stern, reported CNA Deutsch, CNA’s German-language news partner.
Marx, the archbishop of Munich and Freising, is one of the most influential Catholic leaders in Europe, serving as a member of Pope Francis’ Council of Cardinal Advisers and president of the Vatican’s Council for the Economy.
He spoke about the Catechism in response to a question about “how homosexual, queer, or trans people are to be accommodated in Catholic teaching.”
He said: “An inclusive ethic that we envision is not about being lax — as some claim. It is about something else: encounter at eye level, respect for the other. The value of love is shown in the relationship; in not making the other person an object, in not using or humiliating the other person, in being faithful and dependable to each other. The Catechism is not set in stone. One may also doubt what it says.”
He went on: “We discussed these questions during the family synod, but there was reluctance to set something down. Even then I said: There are people living in an intimate love relationship that is expressed sexually. Are we really going to say that this is worthless? Sure, there are people who want to see sexuality limited to procreation, but what do they say to people who can’t have children?”
Sooooo….inclusive means inclusive of everyone and everything except Jesus? Got it.
And one last thing, I don’t want to hear the business that Jesus didn’t correct the people because they weren’t ready to hear the truth that the gay sex was awesome. Jesus was a walking Truth bomb. People literally ran from Him because the collateral damage of His Truth Bombs were life altering. And when they ran He didn’t change the teaching.
It is a hard teaching for some. I feel for them. I truly do. To have your sexual energies focused on same sex people and not being able to act on it must be extremely difficult and frustrating. But in the end, we all must take up our cross. Life is hard. The way of the cross is difficult.
If we question this fundamental teaching or doubt Jesus’ words, we are no longer worshipping Jesus but ourselves.
April 1, 2022 at 9:09 am
If you don’t reject the legitimacy of an instiution giving a guy named “Marx” a high office then you have a mental deficiency. Especially when that institution is a church, because “Marx” doesn’t just represent Marxism (which would prompt any sane person born with that name to get it legally changed unless they are communist scum) but “Marx” is also a Jewish sirname. And although Jews may be acceptible as pew sitting Christians they should never be allowed in positions of power in a church because they tend to be subversionists (especially on sexual morality). So what kind of pope would make a Jew a cardinal? A Jewish pope obviously. The popes have been conversos or crypto-Jews since Francis of Assisi’s time at least, and I have a problem with that. Anyone who doesn’t have a problem with that, has a problem.
April 1, 2022 at 9:18 am
Technically, he’s right: the Catechism is not Sacred Scripture, and nothing is infallible doctrine simply on the basis of being included in that book. Take, for example, Pope Francis alterations regarding the death penalty. These are not infallible papal Magisterium, and they are next to impossible to reconcile with Sacred Scripture or Sacred Tradition. They are, in short, almost certainly wrong, however popular they may be and however well-intentioned they may be.
The fact that the Catechism is not infallible, however, does not mean everything is up for grabs.
April 1, 2022 at 2:28 pm
the CCC is our document. It can be changed. BUT…(and here is the part that they screw us over with) the Truths which the CCC teaches are not ours to play with. The divine truths and their fruitful living are to be perfectly translated through the Holy Spirit to our hearts and minds, so we can live them.
April 1, 2022 at 4:22 pm
Here’s why that statement is unhelpful: it applies equally well to Huckleberry Finn. “[T]he Truths which Huckleberry Finn teaches are not ours to play with. The divine truths and their fruitful living are to be perfectly translated through the Holy Spirit to our hearts and minds, so we can live them.” Of course, not everything in Huckleberry Finn is a divine truth, but it is not de Fide that everything in the Catechism is a divine truth, either. If not everything is divine truth — if some of it is the opinion of a pope, or the consensus of the cardinals, or opinions popular among modern theologians — it becomes necessary to identify what really comes from the Holy Spirit and what comes from the Zeitgeist. The Catechism is not to Catholics what the Bible is to Fundamentalists or the Koran is to Muslims, the one and only perfect book that tells you everything you need. This is not by any means to say that the Church does not teach infallible and unalterable truths, it is simply to say that the Catechism is only referencing those truths without itself being infallible.
April 1, 2022 at 5:44 pm
The post V2 catechism reads as a postmodern college professors libtard class. Its psychology not doctrine. So what was the last previous official RCC catechism? Bostom was merely local. So was it the Council of Trent?
April 2, 2022 at 8:08 am
Jorge:
“although Jews may be acceptible as pew sitting Christians they should never be allowed in positions of power in a church because they tend to be subversionists”
Are you serious? The Apostles, chosen by our Lord himself, were all Jewish. Are you smarter than Him? That’s exactly what Card. Marx seems to think, that he knows better than Jesus Christ.