There’s a couple of interesting things going on in this study concerning homosexuals raising children. Take a look.
Joe Carter of First Things wrote:
Are children born to and raised by lesbians more likely to engage in same-sex sexual activity? Law professor Eugene Volokh reports on an interesting study that address that question:
The study was part of an ongoing study that, at this stage, involved 77 families, “31 continuously-coupled, 40 separated-mother, and six single-mother families,” and 78 17-year-old children (one family had twins). Of the girls, nearly 50% described themselves as at least partly homosexual in orientation, though 30% out of that 50% were “predominantly heterosexual, incidentally homosexual.” (None of the girls, though, identified themselves as predominantly or exclusively lesbian.) Of the boys, a bit over 20% described themselves as at least partly homosexual in orientation, though 13% out of that 20% described themselves as “predominantly heterosexual, incidentally homosexual.” (Two of the boys identified themselves as predominantly or exclusively gay.) “The … Kinsey self-identifications [of the girls in the study] and lifetime sexual experiences were consistent with Stacey and Biblarz’s (2001) and Biblarz and Stacey’s (2010) theory that the offspring of lesbian and gay parents might be more open to homoerotic exploration and same-sex orientation.”
OK. While this does seem to show that children raised by homosexuals do tend to act in homosexual ways (which is what I think most people believed) I think it also kinda’ blows out of the water the extremists who say that homosexuality is a “born this way” thing. Well, maybe it doesn’t blow it out of the water but it surely lends some data to the nurture side of the debate.
But in the end I’m not sure this kind of study will have any effect on public policy though. Even though right now I’ve noticed that homosexual advocates argue that there’s no greater likelihood of homosexuality in children raised by homosexuals I suspect the goal posts will shift quickly. Even if it were proved that children raised by homosexuals had a greater likelihood of becoming homosexuals I believe their argument would simply become “OK and what’s wrong with that?” Sure it would keep ratings up for “Glee” but they’d argue that children becoming homosexual is a morally neutral act, wouldn’t they?
But this isn’t only a moral argument, is it? There are many real world facts you could argue like homosexual youths are many times more likely to commit suicide than straight kids but wouldn’t they simply say it’s Christian intolerance which leads them to it. You could say that the life expectancy of homosexuals overall is 20 years shorter than straight people’s life expectancy. But wouldn’t they simply say that this shows the need for more funding for HIV cures? Recent studies have shown that homosexual unions tend to split at a higher rate than straight marriages which leads to more broken homes for children.
So you’ve arguably got higher suicide rates, shorter life expectancy, and broken homes. But none of that plays a role in the state’s decision making whether to place children with homosexual parents? In fact, church adoption agencies are labeled cruel for refusing to place children in homosexual households.
I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t think that facts are going to play much of a role in the gay adoption argument. The state has become not only a moral free zone but also a fact free zone. It’s not about what’s better for the kids, it’s about what makes the legislators feel like a civil rights hero. And sadly, it’s about getting the gay vote, the media adulation and maybe even a guest spot on Glee.
May 24, 2011 at 7:51 am
Church adoption agencies are not labelled anything. They're just closed down.
May 24, 2011 at 2:21 pm
It is called scandalizing an infant child's soul. The atheist does not believe in God or God's souls, so the devil has free reign over the people.
May 24, 2011 at 4:16 pm
@Anon- I agree with you.
May 24, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Juvenal on homosexuals
http://pblosser.blogspot.com/2004/08/juvenal-vs-queer-guys.html
May 24, 2011 at 11:09 pm
A certain percentage of the population will always be gay. Why can't you just live with that fact without demonizing homosexuality? Like just about everything about us, it is caused by genetics in combination with the environment including the environment in the womb which can affect the development of sex characteristics. And in some individuals it can be, say, 90 percent genes, 10 percent environment; and in others the opposite — and every combination in between. There is nothing evil or inherently immoral about this. Please don't quote the bible to me. The bible isn't inerrant.
May 24, 2011 at 11:13 pm
….Were you trying to prove his point?
May 24, 2011 at 11:44 pm
People have traditionally had an extreme bias against homosexuals. I have heard it repeated over and over — even in recent years — that it is a choice to be a homosexual. Now science points us in the other direction. Of course, there is some slide along the continuum. IOW, development in the womb; and social conditions to an extent will play a role. How much of a role is probably highly individual — and dependent on the individual's physical makeup — making one more or less prone to be homosexual. But I daresay, anyone strongly heterosexual will not be turned homosexual by relaxed social attitudes toward homosexuality.
May 24, 2011 at 11:59 pm
You're not answering the question.
May 25, 2011 at 12:29 am
My deceased mother was a lesbian. I can verify that children raised by homosexuals becoming homosexuals themselves is the LEAST of societies problems. But my opinion doesn't count because to some it's the wrong opinion and I'll just be labeled with having "an extreme bias against homosexuals" and all dialogue will be shut down (the virtue of leftist tolerance in action). Go ahead America… open the floodgates to homosexual, polygamous, incestuous, etc, marriages…let me know how that works out for ya…not.
May 25, 2011 at 1:27 am
The point I am making is that being homosexual is caused by — at one end an extreme propensity to be homosexual; and this is colored by developmental influences, and even societal influences — at the other end of the continuum, perhaps less of a physical propensity but more societal and other influences. These effects are very difficult to tease out. But I think that the majority of people who are strongly homosexual would be that way the moment they are born. They are born, not made. Of course, this is not a hard and fast rule. And yes, this has been common knowledge for a long time; but certain segments of society will still argue that homosexuality is a choice; and this is a reason to hate them even more because only a depraved individual would make such a choice.
The point that this blogger seems to be making is that since there are factors at play in making an individual more or less homosexual, we can therefore, I guess, say that homosexual couples should not be able to raise children?
If you believe that homosexuality is immoral, then yes, you would not want people who are gay to be able to adopt. Not because their kids might turn out to be homosexual. But just because they are bad people — and bad people shouldn't be able to raise kids. Just be honest and say it. That's what the unspoken message of this blogpost is.
When you can show scientifically that many, if not nearly all, homosexuals are born that way, it kind of takes any ammunition out of the "they have made an evil choice" argument. So let's find other reasons to hate them. Oh, their lifestyles are associated with less than healthy results. What other subsets of society can we say that about? And will we ban that group from adopting?
To be just and fair, these cases must be looked at on a case by case basis. Certainly many homosexual couples would make great parents. And many heterosexual couples make terrible parents.
May 25, 2011 at 1:33 am
Well, that answers the question, sort of:
trying or not, you are making his point…though it seems to have gone right past you….
May 25, 2011 at 3:22 am
Instead of telling me that I am making this or that point, why don't you specifically state what that point is. I have stated what I believe the major points in the argument are with specificity. You, on the other hand have only made a peevish comment or two.
May 25, 2011 at 3:46 am
Instead of telling me that I am making this or that point, why don't you specifically state what that point is.
If you didn't get it when a much better writer than I spent an entire post making the point, why should I expect it to sink in from my repeating it? Especially when it is your very responses which make it so clear that he is right?
You don't want to understand, and so you will not.
You'll grab whatever fig leaf is handy to advance what you want, and toss it aside for the opposite at whim or will, changing the subject as soon as it's not of use.
When all else fails, you will simply attack.
May 25, 2011 at 3:57 am
A suggestion:
how about you go and make your own blog, and expound on your views there with any strawmen your heart desires, instead of going to someone else's blog and either not reading the original post or simply not bothering to try to understand it?
I promise, should I ever comment there, that I would respond directly to the post and the points therein. I'd even offer support for my responses, rather than serial logical fallacies and blog-comment dancing tactics.
May 25, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Foxfier, I wasn't aware that comments on blogs must agree with the original post. But if those are ground rules for this blog, I will try to remember never to post here again.
Someone put a link to this on twitter. And, as I said, I was unaware that I had to agree with this position and/or just general stance of this blog in order to post here. (Maybe there should be a warning to indicate that somewhere on the blog).
I assumed that blogs with comments which were not disabled were open to respectful, polite commentary. My bad.
May 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Foxfier, I wasn't aware that comments on blogs must agree with the original post.
And that answers the question of if you're just failing to understand or trolling.
You consider strawmen, accusations that have nothing to do with what was actually said and personal attacks to be "respectful, polite commentary"? Pull the other one, it has bells on.
May 25, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Look, I said nothing that was a personal attack so stop repeating that. You don't like my opinion. Fair enough. No law says you have to agree with me.
Have a nice life! 🙂
May 25, 2011 at 4:06 pm
You accuse the host of "demonizing homosexuality," you accuse me of being "peevish," you imply we have "extreme bias," you point to those who disagree with you as hating homosexuals as depraved and accuse those who merely disapprove as hating homosexuals.
You try to act like those pointing out observable facts here are attacking you for disagreement.
You then make false accusations, and pretend that it's because of disagreement.
As the old saying goes: you are entitled to your own views, but not your own facts.
May 25, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Sorry but your comments were peevish. Implying extreme bias (if I did that) isn't a personal attack. We are all biased. Some of us will admit that.
As you pointed out I do agree with the blogpost on the observable facts regarding the somewhat mutable nature of homosexuality. And historically, (and this is just fact) homosexuals have been on the receiving end of extreme hatred. Maybe that makes me a little defensive. I am personally close to several people of same-sex orientation.
If I did imply that the author of this blog was a hater by associating this blogpost with historical anti-homosexual realities, then, yes, perhaps that was unfair of me. Since I cannot know what was in the writer's heart regarding homosexual people. Nor what is in yours. I wonder what you really feel about homosexuals? I'm kind of curious about that now.
Your turn.
May 25, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Definitely proving his point.